Brandon Boykin to visit Falcons

[KB_fan]

 

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 Carolina’s decision to dump Boykin came only days after coach Ron Rivera explained that it would be impossible to fully assess the team’s rookie cornerbacks before they can engage in bump-and-run coverage and other contact drills at training camp.

 

1 hour ago, Growl said:

interesting. Now we know it isn't the coaching staff's decision. Ron wasn't too pleased about the Norman release either.

You're putting your own spin on what Ron said.  Ron said: "impossible to FULLY assess."  And Ron wasn't talking about the Boykin decision in that quote.  You're taking it out of context.

That, however, does NOT mean that they couldn't see ENOUGH at minicamp.  You see if guys are coachable.  If they have the passion or spark you're looking for.  If they remember the installs...  How they relate to the other guys.   Whatever they saw, it led them to decide it will be best to go full speed ahead and get these rookies as many reps as possible, thus release Boykin. 

Of course you can't fully assess a rookie at minicamp in shorts.  But they probably had a checklist of things they needed to see.  If they saw them, that was enough to pull the trigger on the Boykin decision.

So, I'd say the coaches' evaluation probably had a huge impact on the Boykin release... exactly the opposite of what you're saying.  Otherwise DG would have released him the day after the draft.

 

[Growl]

3 minutes ago, Floppin said:

The first.....possibly, but still requires your own conclusions to reach your position. 

 

The second, at face value, states precisely that he began to second guess the wisdom of the tag on his own accord. To state otherwise is to inject your own bias into the conversation.

Circumstantial evidence carries a lot of weight when stacked with legitimate evidence.

 

Nobody is saying Ron found out about the decision through his ESPN.com app. Were just saying that it very well doesn't appear to be the decision Ron would've made 

[Floppin]

1 hour ago, Growl said:

Circumstantial evidence carries a lot of weight when stacked with legitimate evidence.

 

Nobody is saying Ron found out about the decision through his ESPN.com app. Were just saying that it very well doesn't appear to be the decision Ron would've made 

Well see now you're moving the goal post. You have been arguing that Ron hasn't been a part of the process, not that it wasn't his final decision. Its always the GMs final call - literally with every team in the league. I fail to see any valid point that you're making.

[Growl]

3 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

 

 

You're putting your own spin on what Ron said.  Ron said: "impossible to FULLY assess."  And Ron wasn't talking about the Boykin decision in that quote.  You're taking it out of context.

That, however, does NOT mean that they couldn't see ENOUGH at minicamp.  You see if guys are coachable.  If they have the passion or spark you're looking for.  If they remember the installs...  How they relate to the other guys.   Whatever they saw, it led them to decide it will be best to go full speed ahead and get these rookies as many reps as possible, thus release Boykin. 

Of course you can't fully assess a rookie at minicamp in shorts.  But they probably had a checklist of things they needed to see.  If they saw them, that was enough to pull the trigger on the Boykin decision.

So, I'd say the coaches' evaluation probably had a huge impact on the Boykin release... exactly the opposite of what you're saying.  Otherwise DG would have released him the day after the draft.

 

Okay for starters, I didn't take the quote out of context, PFT did. I just ran with it to rile people up in this thread that people didn't care about beforehand.

Secondly, it doesn't negate any point the article makes. You're right, Ron did say "impossible to fully asses," as in, you can't fully assess a player with what they've shown us in rookie camp. The things you provided as achievable during a two day period-which, BTW, are not actually achievable within a two day period, are all intangible byronbellisms. "passion." 

[therealmjl]

Gotta hand it to you Growl. You are dedicated to your craft.

[Growl]

7 minutes ago, Floppin said:

Well see now you're moving the goal post. You have been arguing that Ron hasn't been a part of the process, not that it wasn't his final decision. Its always the GMs final call - literally with every team I'm the league. I fail to see any valid point that you're making.

lol I never said that. YOU said that. Nobody here would argue that Dave acted on an impulse and didn't bother to tell anybody. That's absurd. What has been argued is that it was his decision and that it was an opinion that was contary to that of the head coach.

[cbarrier90]

If KB_fan says you're wrong, you're probably wrong.

[DamnItJake!]

Igo mentioned in a previous thread about Boykins release is that Gettleman is trying to build a solid team for a few years not based on 1 year contracts..so they think we have talent that meets or exceeds Boykins.. Relax!!! Training Camp is here soon..

[Floppin]

14 minutes ago, Growl said:

lol I never said that. YOU said that. Nobody here would argue that Dave acted on an impulse and didn't bother to tell anybody. That's absurd. What has been argued is that it was his decision and that it was an opinion that was contary to that of the head coach.

So based on this logical line the question becomes ultimately who's roster evaluation do you trust more?

Based on the fact that Gettleman has literally had to remove players via release in order to prevent Rivera from starting them, I'm going to differ to Gettleman's judgement.

[Growl]

3 minutes ago, Floppin said:

So based on this logical line the question becomes ultimately who's roster evaluation do you trust more?

Based on the fact that Gettleman has literally had to remove players via release in order to prevent Rivera from starting them, I'm going to differ to Gettleman's judgement.

I wasn't questioning either of their ability. The implied point was simply that there appeared to be a philosophical division present. I think they're both ultimately good at their jobs, even with the warts 

[t96]

He's been on 3 (soon to be 4) different teams in like 8 months for a reason. I was excited about him and was certainly surprised by cutting him before training camp, but he's merely a solid nickel corner. There's a lot of them in the league and Sanchez will probably be as good as him or even better.

[The Lobo]

It's odd, I'm not concerned at all about our db's, so I don't really care about Boykin. Best of luck to him, unless he plays us. If he plays us, eat farts.

[Carl Spackler]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

You poor short-sighted human. Your argument has been flawed from the prelude. Note the tone and action of the press conference of Ron.

A dog would be able to clearly note that Ron meant that in a non-aggressive manner. One would then conclude that Ron, and the organization as a whole, has respect for Dave Gettleman. This is reaffirmed in his rather recent broadcast involving Josh Norman. Ron has stated clearly he and Dave discussed the matter together, and the decision is something Ron respects.

Sure, silly banter from animals is quite expected from the ill-minded like you. Such arguments have persisted for quite a while. The narrative of "no one wants to play for the Panthers," or, "OMG Dave Gettleman didn't pay $999999999999 for some overrated player on the FA market omg we're gonna be trash."

Note how these arguments have been proven to be complete trash, due to the evidence of success ever since Gman entered the fold. Cap management has gone to a much better state, and our future as an organization is pulling in the right direction. Trolls like you have no conclusive evidence of long-term detrimental problems involved from Gettleman's management, since success is the catalyst that disintegrates this.

Your argument and agenda against Gettleman has proven to be silly time and time again. Nevertheless, I expect no change from you simpleton. Your arguments are much needed for a laugh on this forum. From a supposed fan, you're talking like we're about to fall as low as the Browns. That is very unlikely to happen.

 

This is one of the worst posts I've read here in a while

Congrats

[Carl Spackler]

1 hour ago, Growl said:

I wasn't questioning either of their ability. The implied point was simply that there appeared to be a philosophical division present. I think they're both ultimately good at their jobs, even with the warts 

Most of the idiots on here can't comprehend the fact that people in an NFL front office can disagree on something