Panthers Release Boykin

[csx]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You know, Luke really blew that play against Atlanta where Julio scored on him. That mistake helped cost us the game and a shot at a perfect season.

Maybe people shouldn't ride Luke's jock so much. He might not really be worthy of all the praise he gets on here.

Newtons fumbles lead to 2 tds and  a loss in the Super Bowl. He deserves no credit for all the other games he won for the team.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, csx said:

Newtons fumbles lead to 2 tds and  a loss in the Super Bowl. He deserves no credit for all the other games he won for the team.

Sounds like what we really need to do is move on from Cam and Luke and find somebody who never makes mistakes.

[Cpt slay a ho]

6 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

1. Boykin didn't sign to be a backup.

2. Did you see the Gettleman post-draft interview? Specifically with regard to unhappy veteran free agents and their effects on a team?  

i'm sure he didn't sign to be a backup, hell doesn't really matter cause he didn't even get to touch the field, as for the presser it's still yet to be determine whether he was unhappy......he must have had some serious off-field issues  

[KB_fan]

Well, whatever else you can say, Dave G. has certainly got folks' attention!  Here's what Jenny Vrentas of MMQB had to say about Dave's surprising moves in the Secondary:

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2. I think the Panthers are taking your conventional roster-building blueprint and throwing it out the window. Things could change, but in May they’re poised to go into the season with a third-year player coming off a broken leg and two rookies as their top three cornerbacks. Who knows if it will work, but that shows a lot of confidence and trust between head coach Ron Rivera and GM Dave Gettleman.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/05/17/sammy-watkins-injury-panthers-cornerbacks-nfl-rookie-minicamps

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

let's make win/loss predictions right now

i say 11-5

12-4

[Cpt slay a ho]

2014 was a collective mess..........that's perfectly fine because i thought as a TEAM FO,Players,Coaches we learned from it, but the moves this off-season are similar to those of the 2013 off-season......as it stands right now we've done little ON PAPER to address our few weaknesses we had last season.   I mean there's still time but banking on other's teams cuts is not the most viable option and eventually these fugs in the nfc south will get it right one of these years 

[Ricky Spanish]

I'm a Gettleman fan. Blatant and proud. I defend the dude more than plenty do on this forum. I however know he is not infallible and has a few misses in his career here as the Panthers' GM. Most of those misses came in 2014. Those moves include:

• Antoine Cason
• Letting Smitty go in a not nice way
• Thomas DeCoud
• The Tackle situation that was 2014
• Franchising Hardy

Having listed all those problems areas (the majority of which were caused by a lack of $ but people don't seem to understand that), they all have one thing in common:

They didn't hamper the LONG TERM SUCCESS of the team. All of those moves had a one season negative impact on the franchise, and we still managed a playoff appearance out of that crappy season. Counter those negative moves against Hurney's Negatives:

• Trading away multiple future 1st round picks
• Drafting like a dunce
• Signing homegrown talent to unfriendly deals (Williams, Beason, Anderson, Godfrey, etc.)
• The Peppers Fiasco
• The Delhomme extension

All of those moves had negative long term rippling effects for the franchise. So the big difference between Hurney and Gettleman is when Hurney fuged up, he fuged up BIG, but when Gettleman fugs up, it seems to be a small contained fug up that won't hurt the team too much long term. 

That's why I'm all in on Gettleman. He's playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. He assigns each player or position a relative value, and then determines which ones to put in danger or to sacrifice in order to win in the end.

That's why I don't care that he released Norman and Boykin, because he has a plan in place and that plan has worked so far. When it stops working, I'll stop trusting him. Until then, He's my GM and I'm on board the Gettlewagon. 

[EightyNine]

2 hours ago, Growl said:

I think the front 7 will mitigate the issues somewhat, but the problem I have is we have now gone from the secondary being a strength to a weakness in a matter of a couple weeks.

 

The ultimate issue is that we are content to try this method every year and every year it ends up biting us. 2014 was the obvious example, but even the other years it ends up being the cause of our failure when we start playing against the league's best teams-which is the ultimate root of the whole Championships or bust argument that people hate so much to hear.

We should be at the point where we shouldn't be trying to field "a playoff team." We've reached the stage where we should be trying to field a championship team. Nobody can logically contend that starting two rookie CBs over what we had moves us closer to that goal. Could we mask the issue and still find great success? Could the young CBs surprise and be terrific the moment they step on the field? Sure. But no betting man could justifiably put his chips on that over what we had in place.

People too often judge by intentions instead of results..  Somehow, trying to field a consistent playoff team takes you further than trying to field a championship team.  I know its hard to believe.  

It is so freaking hard just to get to the Superbowl....harder than we probably can even realize...you need so many things to happen...going "all in" or going for the championship team hardly ever works and usually will come back to bite you hard.  No one thought our WRs could take us anywhere after KB went down..look what happened?  Same in 2013 when people couldn't believe Captain Munnerlyn could be our number 1 corner.  You can keep bringing up 2014, but teams were scared to play us going into the playoffs that year.  We found some answers and i believe it played a big part in laying out a blueprint for our 2015 Superbowl run.  Gettleman has consistently stayed true to building for the future and as a result, we continue to stockpile and develop young good players.   We just went to the Superbowl with a team that no one expected to do anything!  Isn't it amazing how that works??  We are going to maximize the number of opportunites we get to knock on the door, because eventually, we are going to break it down...

-1OVE 
#KeepPounding

[L-TownCat]

31 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

I'm a Gettleman fan. Blatant and proud. I defend the dude more than plenty do on this forum. I however know he is not infallible and has a few misses in his career here as the Panthers' GM. Most of those misses came in 2014. Those moves include:

• Antoine Cason
• Letting Smitty go in a not nice way
• Thomas DeCoud
• The Tackle situation that was 2014
• Franchising Hardy

Having listed all those problems areas (the majority of which were caused by a lack of $ but people don't seem to understand that), they all have one thing in common:

They didn't hamper the LONG TERM SUCCESS of the team. All of those moves had a one season negative impact on the franchise, and we still managed a playoff appearance out of that crappy season. Counter those negative moves against Hurney's Negatives:

• Trading away multiple future 1st round picks
• Drafting like a dunce
• Signing homegrown talent to unfriendly deals (Williams, Beason, Anderson, Godfrey, etc.)
• The Peppers Fiasco
• The Delhomme extension

All of those moves had negative long term rippling effects for the franchise. So the big difference between Hurney and Gettleman is when Hurney fuged up, he fuged up BIG, but when Gettleman fugs up, it seems to be a small contained fug up that won't hurt the team too much long term. 

That's why I'm all in on Gettleman. He's playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. He assigns each player or position a relative value, and then determines which ones to put in danger or to sacrifice in order to win in the end.

That's why I don't care that he released Norman and Boykin, because he has a plan in place and that plan has worked so far. When it stops working, I'll stop trusting him. Until then, He's my GM and I'm on board the Gettlewagon. 

Quality, level headed and fair.

Wait, getting light headed...kinda dizzy...where am I?

[Ricky Spanish]

2 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

Quality, level headed and fair.

Wait, getting light headed...kinda dizzy...where am I?

Shh bby is ok

[TheRed]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

When it comes to football, Marty Hurney actually was - and objectively still is - more knowledgeable, more experienced and better connected than any of us, mistakes and all. And I say that as a Hurney critic.

The problem? He wasn't smarter or better at his job than the other general managers who ran our opponents.

Gettleman looks like he may just be.

We're still talking about professionals versus amateurs. I've never built a house, so I kind of doubt a professional house builder who's been doing it for over 20 years needs  the benefit of my wisdom on how to do his job. Likewise, a guy who's been scouting football players for 25 years plus probably doesn't benefit much from my opinion on which players he should keep or dump.

I've never seen a single general manager be mistake free, but some of them have been successful enough that they've earned the benefit of the doubt. Right now, Gettleman is one of them. And there's little reason to doubt he's the best GM the Panthers have had so far. You can even throw in that we now have other professional GM's talking about how their team needs to copy what we're doing.

Bottom Line: Gettleman doesn't have to be perfect. He just has to be better at it than the other guys.

It's all a question of perspective.

To be clear, my post wasn't a criticism of Gettleman. He's made a few moves that made my scratch my head a bit, but so many others that make sense, and really improved our team.

Unfortunately, like it or not, fans in general are always going to question things. If everyone here just blindly popped into every thread, and started droning on with a robotic voice saying "Great move, all hail Gettleman, bup bup bup bup", it would be pretty boring.

Admittedly, from time to time I enjoy laughing at the sky is falling crowd, and even stir the pot.

Regardless, when the time comes for actual games to be played, all this patience being preached in the offseason will be nowhere to be found. Even from the most rational of posters. It's been that way all along, and it's not going to change anytime soon. That's just the nature of fandom.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

this isn't directed at anyone in particular but it belongs in the repertoire

credit to frash

[Mr. Scot]

I wish that weren't as on target as it is.

[caatfan]

"Brandon Boykin might be the NFL’s top nickelback."

So says Tim Weaver at 32cover.com

But if he's such a valuable DB, why have no other teams, before and after his short stay with the Panthers, shown interest? With teams padding their rosters to 90 with tryout players, you'd think some team would have scooped up Boykin by now. Hard to say that Gettleman is nuts to cut him in May if nobody else wants him. What is the deal with BB?