Panthers Release Boykin

[Growl]

21 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

this doesn't sound as badass as you think it does

Wasn't intended to. In fact none of what I say is ever intended to. Cheeky maybe. 

[Cat]

1 hour ago, KSpan said:

The issue with calling it a 'failure' suggests that there was something else that could have been done and wasn't, but I've yet to hear a quality alternative. The OTs were overpriced crap that year (see: Anthony Collins) and by grinding it out that year the team is in a much better position than they would be with over-priced under-performers still on the payroll.

you're not even talking about the same event that I brought up. 

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Cat said:

So when a random fan says anything critical they are blasted.

This random fan thinks Gettleman has done a very good job in general and hopes his decisions work out. However I have a tendency to not shrug things off and have total faith in any one person or thing. The secondary has many reasons for concern and the moves have been bizarre. I'd be very surprised if the secondary isn't a problem this season. 

You're still only thinking of one season while Gettleman is thinking years ahead.

Marty Hurney took it a year at a time too. That's a big reason why he has a radio show and Gettleman has the GM job.

We're  trying to build a perennial contender, not a one year wonder.

Honestly, if you can look at where we were three years ago cap-wise and success-wise versus where we are now (coming off a Super Bowl appearance, stars locked up, cap room to spare, well positioned for future success) and not see reason to trust the people making the decisions, I don't know what to tell you.

[TheRed]

When people say "Well Gettleman is infinitely smarter than you about football, so your opinion is invalid", I get it, especially if you're responding to someone foaming at the mouth just looking to complain.

But when looking deeper, it's kind of a weak cop out considering a large portion of the huddle once said this about Marty Hurney. Who is now conveniently one of the most ridiculed individuals here. There are also other fans of other teams on other message boards saying the same thing about their own general managers who may or may not be struggling.

The people who just don't like Gettleman will continue on with the charade, and always question his moves.

But the near worshiping levels of praise aren't really anything new, and it will be the same no matter the GM.

Need an example? Go read that thread when we signed Haruki Nakamura.

[Growl]

1 minute ago, Cat said:

So when a random fan says anything critical they are blasted.

This random fan thinks Gettleman has done a very good job in general and hopes his decisions work out. However I have a tendency to not shrug things off and have total faith in any one person or thing. The secondary has many reasons for concern and the moves have been bizarre. I'd be very surprised if the secondary isn't a problem this season. 

I think the front 7 will mitigate the issues somewhat, but the problem I have is we have now gone from the secondary being a strength to a weakness in a matter of a couple weeks.

 

The ultimate issue is that we are content to try this method every year and every year it ends up biting us. 2014 was the obvious example, but even the other years it ends up being the cause of our failure when we start playing against the league's best teams-which is the ultimate root of the whole Championships or bust argument that people hate so much to hear.

We should be at the point where we shouldn't be trying to field "a playoff team." We've reached the stage where we should be trying to field a championship team. Nobody can logically contend that starting two rookie CBs over what we had moves us closer to that goal. Could we mask the issue and still find great success? Could the young CBs surprise and be terrific the moment they step on the field? Sure. But no betting man could justifiably put his chips on that over what we had in place.

[Cat]

6 minutes ago, TheRed said:

When people say "Well Gettleman is infinitely smarter than you about football, so your opinion is invalid", I get it, especially if you're responding to someone foaming at the mouth just looking to complain.

But when looking deeper, it's kind of a weak cop out considering a large portion of the huddle once said this about Marty Hurney. Who is now conveniently one of the most ridiculed individuals here. There are also other fans of other teams on other message boards saying the same thing about their own general managers who may or may not be struggling.

The people who just don't like Gettleman will continue on with the charade, and always question his moves.

But the near worshiping levels of praise aren't really anything new, and it will be the same no matter the GM.

Need an example? Go read that thread when we signed Haruki Nakamura.

My guess is they will be the first ones screaming for his head when the going gets tough. These fans are unreasonable. They are unreasonable when we are good and unreasonable when we aren't. Their highs are too high and their lows are too low. 

[Cat]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're still only thinking of one season while Gettleman is thinking years ahead.

Marty Hurney took it a year at a time too. That's a big reason why he has a radio show and Gettleman has the GM job.

We're  trying to build a perennial contender, not a one year wonder.

Honestly, if you can look at where we were three years ago cap-wise and success-wise versus where we are now (coming off a Super Bowl appearance, stars locked up, cap room to spare, well positioned for future success) and not see reason to trust the people making the decisions, I don't know what to tell you.

 Where in the hell is this coming from? What does that have to do with anything I'm saying?! Did I bring all that into question? Did I criticize all of his moves and all of his strategies? 

note: Also having a vet to help these rookie cbs learn from is apart of thinking long term. 

[top dawg]

I've always said that people who praise Gettleman like he can do no wrong, and people who criticize his every move as wrong, are more concerned with dissension than discussion. Frankly,  it's quite unnatural to love or hate every move that anyone makes. 

 

[SmashNDash]

No many cancerous negative idiots.  If you've ever browsed a game day thread, you understand the pathetic, negative mentality of many of the posters here.  Team is up by 14 points, and people are berating Cam, Gettleman and Rivera for any bad play. 

Boykin has been let go by 3 teams, one way or another.  He's 25, with barely any starting experience.  He is not a storied vet that is going to teach the rookies anything.  Bene has been in the league longer and has more playing time then Boykin, not to mention McClain.   You don't get traded/cut/or let walk if you're a valuable player and 25 years old, end of story.  

[Mr. Scot]

16 minutes ago, TheRed said:

When people say "Well Gettleman is infinitely smarter than you about football, so your opinion is invalid", I get it, especially if you're responding to someone foaming at the mouth just looking to complain.

But when looking deeper, it's kind of a weak cop out considering a large portion of the huddle once said this about Marty Hurney. Who is now conveniently one of the most ridiculed individuals here. There are also other fans of other teams on other message boards saying the same thing about their own general managers who may or may not be struggling.

The people who just don't like Gettleman will continue on with the charade, and always question his moves.

But the near worshiping levels of praise aren't really anything new, and it will be the same no matter the GM.

Need an example? Go read that thread when we signed Haruki Nakamura.

When it comes to football, Marty Hurney actually was - and objectively still is - more knowledgeable, more experienced and better connected than any of us, mistakes and all. And I say that as a Hurney critic.

The problem? He wasn't smarter or better at his job than the other general managers who ran our opponents.

Gettleman looks like he may just be.

We're still talking about professionals versus amateurs. I've never built a house, so I kind of doubt a professional house builder who's been doing it for over 20 years needs  the benefit of my wisdom on how to do his job. Likewise, a guy who's been scouting football players for 25 years plus probably doesn't benefit much from my opinion on which players he should keep or dump.

I've never seen a single general manager be mistake free, but some of them have been successful enough that they've earned the benefit of the doubt. Right now, Gettleman is one of them. And there's little reason to doubt he's the best GM the Panthers have had so far. You can even throw in that we now have other professional GM's talking about how their team needs to copy what we're doing.

Bottom Line: Gettleman doesn't have to be perfect. He just has to be better at it than the other guys.

It's all a question of perspective.

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, Cat said:

 Where in the hell is this coming from? What does that have to do with anything I'm saying?! Did I bring all that into question? Did I criticize all of his moves and all of his strategies? 

note: Also having a vet to help these rookie cbs learn from is apart of thinking long term. 

It is if that veteran wants to do that job. Do we know for sure that Boykin wanted that kind of role? Given that teams keep bouncing him, I'd have to wonder what kind of locker room presence he really is.

I'd add that it's not like every other member of the secondary is a rookie. And throw in too that we have a really good defensive backs coach, whose input would have played into this decision by the way.

As far as why this is part of the discussion, it's why I feel I can trust the people making the decisions.

Do you really think one move that you don't like is a strong enough argument to negate the whole big picture?

[L-TownCat]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 Do you really think one move that you don't like is a strong enough argument to negate the whole big picture?

Yes. Obviously.

cant you see through those Gettle-colored glasses that he's what is wrong with this team?  Why we are so far behind our divisional foes and not to mention the rest of the NFC!

CMON SCOT! GET WITH IT!!

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

Yes. Obviously.

cant you see through those Gettle-colored glasses that he's what is wrong with this team?  Why we are so far behind our divisional foes and not to mention the rest of the NFC!

CMON SCOT! GET WITH IT!!

You know, Luke really blew that play against Atlanta where Julio scored on him. That mistake helped cost us the game and a shot at a perfect season.

Maybe people shouldn't ride Luke's jock so much. He might not really be worthy of all the praise he gets on here.

[L-TownCat]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You know, Luke really blew that play against Atlanta where Julio scored on him. That mistake helped cost us the game and a shot at a perfect season.

Maybe people shouldn't ride Luke's jock so much. He might not really be worthy of all the praise he gets on here.

That is a perfect example.