Panthers Release Boykin

[Cat]

6 hours ago, L-TownCat said:

Or maybe our QB was ailing and still trying to figure it all out?

Dropped passes all over the place in 2014. We clearly needed more wide out talent. It was evident.  Honestly, one could argue Cam bailed the team out making up for lesser wr talent this past year by upping his game. 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I don't get the move barring off field issues......very minimum you have a vet backup......low risk high reward with Boykin,this is yet another confusing move by Dg. The very rare chance all 3 CB pan out this is still too risky of a move.....releasing him makes little sense at the moment 

This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter.  Boykin was on a one year veteran minimum deal.  Unless there's something going on off the field, there's no real reason not to at least bring him to camp and see how he looks.  If he doesn't look all that great, cut him.  If he seems like he's going to be an issue, cut him.  If you don't think he's going to be a good influence on the rookies, cut him.

But cutting him mid-May? It's just weird.  Makes me thing there's gotta be something else going on that we don't know about. My good buddy is a huge Eagles fan and he texted me saying that he bet that Boykin started raising a stink as soon as we drafted a bunch of CBs.  I pointed out that Boykin was on a one year vet min deal and he said, the dude is just that cocky. He's a really good nickel, but he think he's an elite outside CB.  He's not.

 

[iamhubby1]

14 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

The coaches have no say in what Gettleman does, are you smoking crack? Did you not see Rivera's reaction to Norman's tender being rescinded? The only check on Gettleman is Richardson.

 

If you truly believe that a Gman would draft a player without consulting Rivera, you are sorely mistaken. Gman and Rivera have offices right down the hall from each other. They talk damm near daily. They have the same philosophy on team building, and chemistry. There is no way in Hell that Gman drafts anyone that Rivera wouldn't want on his team.

 

C;mon man.

[FuFuLamePoo]

One reason I don't like this is because I feel like it could hurt us in future free agencies.  Boykin chose us over like 5 other offers only to get cut a few months later.  That might be a turn off for future free agents we try to sign.

[iamhubby1]

16 hours ago, Growl said:

I stopped reading after a few lines because I got the impression this was another "don't discuss anything or offer up any opinions because of such and such" which is the most annoying hot take on this board by far.

This board is here for discussion, both positive and negative, and I don't need to see things play out before my eyes before I can formulate some kind of opinion on them, especially with the whole "the answer is already on the roster" precedent which has been the annual cause of our eventual defeat that your "wait and see before thinking" approach routinely touts as reasons why should not think or talk.

 

If this team thrives with two rookie CBs, that'll be a great surprise-but it will be just that-a surprise. I don't need to see how it plays out for myself to know that it probably isn't a good idea to put all your chips on their success/failure.

 

 

You have to be one pretentious SOB to say; "I didn't read it, but I have an opinion anyway".  But you sir, fit the bill.

 

Just think of the good you could do if you used your superior intellect for good instead of being an insufferable dweeb. My God man, you could solve world hunger.

 

 

15 hours ago, Bartin said:

Almost has to be. Especially considering Gettleman wasn't even at rookie minicamp because he is recovering from his knee replacement surgery. Maybe he wasn't showing up for the offseason workout program or wasn't fitting in with the locker room. It seriously makes zero sense to me to cut a guy before he even has a chance to step on the field unless there was another issue.

Even ignoring the drafted CBs, there is no way Boykin is worse than Robert McClain or Shaq Richardson who is the CB we just signed from a tryout.

 

Well, actually, he WAS at Rookie Camp. He may have not been there in its entirety. But he did make an appearance, But hey, let's use a false statement to make our points now. Seems fair to me. I mean, it's not like he doesn't have access to the coaches and such. We all know he doesn't take the coaches impressions into account when making decisions.

 

Anyone that has a clue knows that Gman would not make this decision without the blessing of Ron. The two of them are damm near joined at the hip. The only way this cut happens is if Ron can live with it. Us fans may never know what the real reason may be, but Gman did not make this cut unilaterally.

[IGSaint]

On the one hand it's worrying because this moves means that the coaches are putting a lot of faith into rookies with no experience, on the other hand they really seem to like the corners we drafted. I guess we'll see how it works out, exciting and damn worrying at the same time lol. 

[KB_fan]

3 hours ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

One reason I don't like this is because I feel like it could hurt us in future free agencies.  Boykin chose us over like 5 other offers only to get cut a few months later.  That might be a turn off for future free agents we try to sign.

Obviously I can't speak for free agents, but a lot of the media seemed to be giving G'man the benefit of the doubt yesterday, suggesting that there really may be some as-yet-hidden off-field issue (locker room fit....)  that explains why CB-needy teams keep cutting a corner who looks to have pretty solid talent.

I think the quality of our current roster - both in talent & character - of guys like Cam, Luke, TD & Greg will continue to draw guys here, and plenty of other players & free agents will attest to the FO dealing fairly with them.  Possible future HoFers like Tillman & Allen singing the team's praises doesn't hurt either.

Even Boykin was pretty neutral "business is business" in his tweets yesterday.  I think most free agents get that. 

But obviously if this becomes a pattern... it could be a problem. 

[KB_fan]

33 minutes ago, IGSaint said:

I guess we'll see how it works out, exciting and damn worrying at the same time lol. 

This is perhaps the most succinct way to sum up most of this thread!  Well said.

[tiger7_88]

9 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I don't get the move barring off field issues......very minimum you have a vet backup......low risk high reward with Boykin,this is yet another confusing move by Dg. The very rare chance all 3 CB pan out this is still too risky of a move.....releasing him makes little sense at the moment 

1. Boykin didn't sign to be a backup.

2. Did you see the Gettleman post-draft interview? Specifically with regard to unhappy veteran free agents and their effects on a team?  

[caatfan]

32 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

2. Did you see the Gettleman post-draft interview? Specifically with regard to unhappy veteran free agents and their effects on a team?  

I know there was something said, about the Norman situation, and a 'salary distraction' possibly affecting the locker room. I think there's considerable attention paid to making sure this team is 'together' and the chemistry is good. We've heard how great the team atmosphere has been, and we've seen other teams implode on the sideline when things aren't going well for 'em. Having a really good team is more than just collecting good players. They have to fit together. You don't want any team cogs turning at their own speed. 

[dksmith17]

31 minutes ago, caatfan said:

I know there was something said, about the Norman situation, and a 'salary distraction' possibly affecting the locker room. I think there's considerable attention paid to making sure this team is 'together' and the chemistry is good. We've heard how great the team atmosphere has been, and we've seen other teams implode on the sideline when things aren't going well for 'em. Having a really good team is more than just collecting good players. They have to fit together. You don't want any team cogs turning at their own speed. 

Especially true if it can influence the rookies negatively

This defense (and offense too) has the foundation set for a long time. Our LBs are set for years. Our DL core is set for years. McDermott is here, Wilks, etc. Leadership, maturity, etc, is all there. Last piece really was the secondary.

Apparently it wasn't worth spoiling our future by being around any tension. If it was a great culture fit, no way we cut him now considering we paid him 80K and have roster spots available. Arguably the same reason Norman isn't here too.

 

 

[L-TownCat]

8 hours ago, Cat said:

Dropped passes all over the place in 2014. We clearly needed more wide out talent. It was evident.  Honestly, one could argue Cam bailed the team out making up for lesser wr talent this past year by upping his game. 

So the GM made those guys drop passes?

The team needed to be Cams.  The GM recognized that and made it happen.  Do you honestly think we would have won a Super Bowl if Smitty would have been here?  Is another win or two that season really worth risking what we've accomplished since?

[Cat]

6 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

So the GM made those guys drop passes?

The team needed to be Cams.  The GM recognized that and made it happen.  Do you honestly think we would have won a Super Bowl if Smitty would have been here?  Is another win or two that season really worth risking what we've accomplished since?

I think we would have been better than 7-9 in 2014. 

[L-TownCat]

Just now, Cat said:

I think we would have been better than 7-9 in 2014. 

And?  Super bowl better?  We did go to the playoffs and win a game, sooo.