Gettleman: We drafted a pass rusher

[PhillyB]

agree

[imminent rogaine]

2 hours ago, Razeyfingers said:

Look, if it wasnt apparent to you already, there are a CRAPLOAD of huddlers that dont watch football. They know stats and all kinds of other things about the Panthers, but they clearly DONT watch the game. Dumb comment after dumb comment will not deter them as they try to justify stupidity. Its best to just watch and laugh at them imo. Theyre Panthers fans after all though sooo. . .  kid gloves gentlemen, kid gloves. I dont know why theyre embarrassed, but they are and they need strangers to tell them theyre not stupid since everyone else has been telling them the contrary all of their lives.

 

It went like this for them:

Born stupid => stayed stupid => told they were stupid => pretend to not be stupid in front of other stupid people because he's tired of being looked at like he's stupid.

 

Maybe if they correct someone's grammar theyll look smart.

they'll

[Paa Langfart]

Cornerback blitz anyone ?

[RelaxImaPro]

3 hours ago, TheRumGone said:

What's crazy is this isn't really hyperbole for Wilson.

He's still a great player... but holy poo that is one little lucky son of a bitch.  It's mind blowing.

[Bartin]

31 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

he was terrible at pressure but he did a great job setting the edge against the run and maintaining contain against running quarterbacks, which is probably why he started the rest of the year.

ealy will be starting full time over him instead, as far as i can tell, which will be a huge improvement

Are they both not going to start? CJ will likely be back at his usual LE spot and Kony will replace Allen at RE because I don't think they are going to put Addison and his poor run defense in there as a starter. My worry is that I think Kony is a much better LE than he is a RE and I don't see them flipping CJ over to the other side to accommodate Kony with Ron's deference to veterans.

[bada bing!]

That's great our DTs get Sacks but we need more pressure from the edges. 

[PhillyB]

10 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Are they both not going to start? CJ will likely be back at his usual LE spot and Kony will replace Allen at RE because I don't think they are going to put Addison and his poor run defense in there as a starter. My worry is that I think Kony is a much better LE than he is a RE and I don't see them flipping CJ over to the other side to accommodate Kony with Ron's deference to veterans.

yeah that's what i meant. CJ at LE, kony at RE, rotate delaire in on the occasional passing down (he's the RE2 iirc) and rotate addison in relief of CJ.

also worth noting vernon butler was drafted on the premise that he could rush the passer from all four positions on the line, something i'm not sure they're willing to do with short, as sexy as it sounds. so i wouldn't be surprised to see some packages with short and star in the interior with butler kicked out at DE. not a bad short yardage option if you need some beef in the middle to stuff a run but also the ability to crash the backfield if it's a pass.

[Nick_81]

11 minutes ago, bada bing! said:

That's great our DTs get Sacks but we need more pressure from the edges. 

As long as we're getting sacks, why does it matter where it comes from? 

[Bartin]

8 minutes ago, Nick_81 said:

As long as we're getting sacks, why does it matter where it comes from? 

Depends. Our secondary allowed us to do a lot of blitzing last year and that's where a disproportionate number of our sacks and pressures came from. That's likely not something we can get away with next year. We will need more production from the front 4 and it's probably unfair to expect more from Kawann or a lot from a rookie DT. DEs will need step it up.

[Nick_81]

Just now, Bartin said:

Depends. Our secondary allowed us to do a lot of blitzing last year and that's where a disproportionate number of our sacks and pressures came from. That's likely not something we can get away with next year. We will need more production from the front 4 and it's probably unfair to expect more from Kawann or a lot from a rookie DT. DEs will need step it up.

I'm not talking about blitzing.  I'm talking about the DL in general.  Does it really matter that KK got the sack instead of Ealy?  I agree that we have to get pressure from the front 4.  It's extremely important to a zone defense, that a QB doesn't have much time to analyze.  DT, or DE though, doesn't matter, as long as we're getting there.  I think we'll see a better group this season.

[iamhubby1]

• 2 hours ago, chknwing said:

Unless their gonna put butler along side of kk then it doesnt really make the pass rush much better just sustains it during rotation.  Drafting a DE would have made the pass rush better imo.  A young quick DE to start opposite if ealy. Bring in cj for rotation.

 

Two things. First. Did you even bother to read the thread? Because in the 2 1/2 pages so far, there have been multiple posts about using Butler along side KK in passing situations. It is called the Nascar package. You get your best, and fastest pass rushers on the field all at the same time.  Also in this thread there are multiple posts about how Gman has said we did address the pass rush.  He just did it with a DT, and not a DE.

 

Second. We have a bunch of those quick young DEs on the team already. We have to find out what they can do before we know whether or not we need to add another one. We were what? Sixth in sacks last year with 44. Butler should help move that number up a slot or three. Along with probably a handful of pressures as well. The kid helps us. And isn't that the most important thing?

[LinvilleGorge]

Everyone still whining about the DE situation seems to be missing the most exciting part of Gettmeman's quote.  It seems like he fully expects Ealy to breakout next season and become a force at DE.

[iamhubby1]

7 hours ago, Castavar said:

I don't get it either. What does it matter where the pass rush is coming from as long as it is consistent and constant all game?

 

Some folks don't care where the sacks come from. And there are folks that feel it should come from specific positions.

 

I don't get it either. Pressure is pressure, and sacks are sacks. Should it really matter whence they came?

 

6 hours ago, KB_fan said:

Edward Salmingo at Panthers Wire muses about some exciting Dline combinations in the wake of Butler's addition to the line:

http://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2016/05/05/3-exciting-defensive-line-combinations-with-rookie-defensive-tackle-vernon-butler/

Here's an excerpt:

Stop the run at all costs: Short, Soliai, Lotulelei, Butler

Now this is where it gets exciting. Take the scenario where it’s 3rd-and-1, or at the goal line, and you know the opponent is going to run.  This combination of massive defensive linemen might as well be the Great Wall of China. With the run stopping prowess of Butler combined with top-notch run stuffers in Lotulelei and Soliai, there might not even be room for opposing runners to run through.

Rush the passer: Johnson, Short, Butler, Addison

In a situation where the opposition is down by multiple scores, or if it’s third and long, McDermott likes to employ a NASCAR package, where he substitutes in his most adept pass rushing specialists.

Typically, he removes Lotulelei from the lineup here. With Butler on board, he could replace Lotulelei and put in two lightning quick and slippery defensive tackles in Short and Butler.

 

Ima tell ya what. You sure have this thing figured out. You found a place that had a need for your love of research, and spread sheet type data. If you were to leave for some unholy reason. You would be sorely missed.

 

I just noticed you had more pie than posts. That my friend is proof of your value up in here.

 

46 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Depends. Our secondary allowed us to do a lot of blitzing last year and that's where a disproportionate number of our sacks and pressures came from. That's likely not something we can get away with next year. We will need more production from the front 4 and it's probably unfair to expect more from Kawann or a lot from a rookie DT. DEs will need step it up.

 

We blitzed the 2nd fewest in the league last year. Something like 27%. I am not sure that is a fact you should use to back your point.

 

Sure we are going to miss Josh, but that does not automatically mean our secondary is going to fall to pieces. Bene, and Boykin are solid starters. McClain is capable. The coaches really like Young. If the rooks are as talented as Gman, and Rivera believe, that group could be very solid to even good.

 

The reason I am not overly worried about the CB position is because we play so much zone. You don't need top shelf talent to play zone. You only need guys that understand the concepts, can communicate, and don't make a poo ton of mistakes. The rooks all played primarily in zone, hoping they can catch on quickly though.

 

tl/dr version: If Gman, and Rivera are right about the rooks. By the end of the year, we may have the best CB group we have ever had. The growing pains may hurt in the short term, but the end result could be a thing of beauty.

[SixMileDrive]

2 hours ago, PhillyB said:

yeah that's what i meant. CJ at LE, kony at RE, rotate delaire in on the occasional passing down (he's the RE2 iirc) and rotate addison in relief of CJ.

also worth noting vernon butler was drafted on the premise that he could rush the passer from all four positions on the line, something i'm not sure they're willing to do with short, as sexy as it sounds. so i wouldn't be surprised to see some packages with short and star in the interior with butler kicked out at DE. not a bad short yardage option if you need some beef in the middle to stuff a run but also the ability to crash the backfield if it's a pass.

FWIW, they put Short in at DE fairly often last year.