Gettleman: We drafted a pass rusher

[TheSpecialJuan]

3 hours ago, KB_fan said:

Edward Salmingo at Panthers Wire muses about some exciting Dline combinations in the wake of Butler's addition to the line:

http://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2016/05/05/3-exciting-defensive-line-combinations-with-rookie-defensive-tackle-vernon-butler/

Here's an excerpt:

Stop the run at all costs: Short, Soliai, Lotulelei, Butler

Now this is where it gets exciting. Take the scenario where it’s 3rd-and-1, or at the goal line, and you know the opponent is going to run.  This combination of massive defensive linemen might as well be the Great Wall of China. With the run stopping prowess of Butler combined with top-notch run stuffers in Lotulelei and Soliai, there might not even be room for opposing runners to run through.

Rush the passer: Johnson, Short, Butler, Addison

In a situation where the opposition is down by multiple scores, or if it’s third and long, McDermott likes to employ a NASCAR package, where he substitutes in his most adept pass rushing specialists.

Typically, he removes Lotulelei from the lineup here. With Butler on board, he could replace Lotulelei and put in two lightning quick and slippery defensive tackles in Short and Butler.

Salmingo is solid.

[JawnyBlaze]

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I said it in another thread but I'll say it again. The DTS need to eat the center and guards so they can't slide to help the tackles. Most DES arent good enough to handle that double team. One on one is where the DES need to be to be most effective rushing the passer and leave them able to shed a block to tackle a runner. 

If the DEs are getting pressure then the offense may use a back to help block leaving the D with a plus 2 advantage on the play. That's why our DBs were able to gamble and jump routes. They knee they had at least one extra guy to help.

Towards the end of games, you could see the dline wearing down and the DBs were getting picked apart. That's why it's so important to keep the DTs fresh. As long as they keep the center and guards occupied, the defense always has a plus one advantage.

On the flip side of that point, that's why our offense sputtered at time, especially in the Super Bowl.  Because (in addition to our WRs not being able to catch a damn thing), our OTs had to have help.

[ncsfinest21]

I like this. This is the same situation we had last year but better. This is why KK got all those sacks. Because if the DE draws double the DT has enough quickness to get there. Now the OT is going to have to worry about protecting the middle and leave the DE to rush the edge. That defensive line will cause havoc and make Bene look like Josh and whoever is opposite look like Bene.

[chknwing]

Unless their gonna put butler along side of kk then it doesnt really make the pass rush much better just sustains it during rotation.  Drafting a DE would have made the pass rush better imo.  A young quick DE to start opposite if ealy. Bring in cj for rotation.

[rodeo]

If we're going to rely on the interior for pass rush we need to teach the DEs better edge/gap discipline. There were a lot of times when KK stormed up the middle, so the QB rolled out and was like 'ok I'll just take these 15 rushing yards' because Delaire or Ealy had broken contain.

[Nick_81]

8 minutes ago, chknwing said:

Unless their gonna put butler along side of kk then it doesnt really make the pass rush much better just sustains it during rotation.  Drafting a DE would have made the pass rush better imo.  A young quick DE to start opposite if ealy. Bring in cj for rotation.

I fully expect them to have those two together on passing downs.  We have guys like Addison, that can come in with Ealy on passing downs as well.  We have a ton of combinations we can use along that defensive line now.  I don't see a rookie DE making nearly the impact a DT can, especially if the DT can get up the field like KK(which is what they're thinking Butler can do).

[shaqattaq]

46 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Not necessarily.  If you can carry the weight without losing speed/quickness it'll only help you.  Peppers was one of the best pass rushing DEs in the NFL for years and he was probably weighing 290 or so which is HUGE for a 4-3 DE.

When GB made him slim down to play LB, he was ineffective. Granted, he was also old and not playing his best position, but still losing the bulk did not speed him up or make him a better pass rusher.

[motocross_cat]

Im not sure a DE we could have grabbed would have been much better than whats on the roster.  I agree a DE would have made more sense but i dont think the FO thought the value was there.

Butler on the other hand is a day 1 starter if need be.

[PhillyB]

34 minutes ago, rodeo said:

If we're going to rely on the interior for pass rush we need to teach the DEs better edge/gap discipline. There were a lot of times when KK stormed up the middle, so the QB rolled out and was like 'ok I'll just take these 15 rushing yards' because Delaire or Ealy had broken contain.

jared allen was pretty well disciplined off the edge which is why i think he replaced delaire after week 4.

ealy quietly improved by leaps and bounds over the course of the season, and had a couple of remarkable plays containing the qb (e.g. that godly solo sack on russell wilson) so as long as CJ has a good year i think we're set

[Snake]

6 hours ago, CarolinaJami' said:

Also, QB's hate inside pressure more than anything.

One of the reasons why Miller had so much success in the SB. Pressure was everywhere and no were to step up or run. 

[LinvilleGorge]

45 minutes ago, chknwing said:

Unless their gonna put butler along side of kk then it doesnt really make the pass rush much better just sustains it during rotation.  Drafting a DE would have made the pass rush better imo.  A young quick DE to start opposite if ealy. Bring in cj for rotation.

Sustaining the rotation will make the pass rush better, especially in the 4th quarter.  Our late game collapses last year when we let teams back in the game after blowing them out and barely held onto win were largely due to the pass rush wearing down.

If there was an equally rated DE on the board, then yeah, I would've rather had the DE.  But if Gman thought Butler was a much better prospect than any of the remaining DEs, then bring him on.

[Snake]

3 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

jared allen was pretty well disciplined off the edge which is why i think he replaced delaire after week 4.

ealy quietly improved by leaps and bounds over the course of the season, and had a couple of remarkable plays containing the qb (e.g. that godly solo sack on russell wilson) so as long as CJ has a good year i think we're set

Allen added almost no pressure though and imo was used more than he should have been. Him and CJ generated almost no pressure and caused us to blitz more. 

[PhillyB]

2 minutes ago, Snake said:

Allen added almost no pressure though and imo was used more than he should have been. Him and CJ generated almost no pressure and caused us to blitz more. 

he was terrible at pressure but he did a great job setting the edge against the run and maintaining contain against running quarterbacks, which is probably why he started the rest of the year.

ealy will be starting full time over him instead, as far as i can tell, which will be a huge improvement

[Snake]

2 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

he was terrible at pressure but he did a great job setting the edge against the run and maintaining contain against running quarterbacks, which is probably why he started the rest of the year.

ealy will be starting full time over him instead, as far as i can tell, which will be a huge improvement

He was on passing downs way too much though. Riveras downside is he plays vets a bit too much. Just like CJ complaining about ealy starting some games. CJ was basically a edge setter as well last year. Ealy should have been starting,  he was by far our most complete DE.