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My delayed reactions and analysis of the draft and UDFA...

Bronn

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I am not saying that Garrett is an excellent route runner,  because his routes were limited,  but to say that he never gets separation just isn't true.  I looked at the vid on Panthers.com and saw him get good separation on a couple of highlights,  so much so that he was basically wide open.  Several of his highlights are in the red zone,  if not the end zone,  so of course it's more difficult to get what is the appearance of separation,  but he still adequately made enough separation to get the catch. 

I just don't know what you're seeing (or not seeing) @Bronn.  I think it may be more of a case of preconceived notions about an undrafted free agent. 

And honestly, notice some of the double and near triple coverage.  That has to stand for something. I can envision him doing a lot of damage alongside KB and Funch. 

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44 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

You don't like Garrett's tape but you like Worley? Worley was god awful in some games. I was surprised he even got drafted, that's how bad he was.

As I stated... Worley is a gambler... That can work out great, or not so much. But everything I have seen indicates that he is very coachable, and that he has the skill set to excel in our system. Plus I am a little bit of a WVU homer.

Garrett's tape really isn't all that great, folks. Sure, I have seen a play here or there where he gets open... Some of what I am seeing could be on the QB, too... However, I feel like folks are already jumping on his bandwagon just because of the hype surrounding him, when what I am seeing on his "highlight" reels isn't that impressive.

Again, I want him to be the next greatest receiver in the NFL. I'm just pointing out that he has a long way to go if his highlights are any indication of his skill set.

 

If you're comparing highlight reels though, Worley wins easily.

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1 hour ago, top dawg said:

I am not saying that Garrett is an excellent route runner,  because his routes were limited,  but to say that he never gets separation just isn't true.  I looked at the vid on Panthers.com and saw him get good separation on a couple of highlights,  so much so that he was basically wide open.  Several of his highlights are in the red zone,  if not the end zone,  so of course it's more difficult to get what is the appearance of separation,  but he still adequately made enough separation to get the catch. 

I just don't know what you're seeing (or not seeing) @Bronn.  I think it may be more of a case of preconceived notions about an undrafted free agent. 

And honestly, notice some of the double and near triple coverage.  That has to stand for something. I can envision him doing a lot of damage alongside KB and Funch. 

I really think it is the Jarrett I see in him that scares me the most. That and the fact that I have been scarred by him and other WRs we actually go out and draft (Colbert, Carter, etc.) that don't pan out. TBQH Jarrett's tape coming out of USC was a lot better than Garrett's.

I'm really all about us finding a gem in UDFA... but the fact is that it doesn't happen very often. Every year we get a Taye Biddle, Brenton Bersin, or some other countless perennial Panthers walk-on WR that people latch onto. More often than not, they are career practice squad guys if they even make it that far.

Sure, none of that is Garrett's fault, and admittedly his film is a little limited. But things I see in guys like him vs. guys like Sandland, so far, are miles apart.

I know it isn't fair to be overly critical at this point of the kid, and I have tried my best not to be. I hope he makes me eat crow and comes out blazing. We all want to see these guys pan out because it'll mean good things for our team. I guess at this point I am just defending my current opinion, so I will agree to disagree with yours for now.

Again, I hope I eat crow, for the Panthers' sake and Garrett's!

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4 minutes ago, Bartin said:

I agree with most of what you said, but strongly disagree with this part. He is a terrible tackler.

Tackling may be a little suspect, but he definitely lays the wood sometimes.

See :36, 1:55 below

One thing about him I think I forgot to mention is that he gambles a bit too, but he jumps routes very well...

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21 minutes ago, Bronn said:

As I stated... Worley is a gambler... That can work out great, or not so much. But everything I have seen indicates that he is very coachable, and that he has the skill set to excel in our system. Plus I am a little bit of a WVU homer.

Garrett's tape really isn't all that great, folks. Sure, I have seen a play here or there where he gets open... Some of what I am seeing could be on the QB, too... However, I feel like folks are already jumping on his bandwagon just because of the hype surrounding him, when what I am seeing on his "highlight" reels isn't that impressive.

Again, I want him to be the next greatest receiver in the NFL. I'm just pointing out that he has a long way to go if his highlights are any indication of his skill set.

 

If you're comparing highlight reels though, Worley wins easily.

Worley isn't that much of a gambler, he's just uncoordinated and slow footed. Every time he went against a slightly fast or quick receiver he got embarrassed .

 

I think they need to move him to safety.

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8 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Worley isn't that much of a gambler, he's just uncoordinated and slow footed. Every time he went against a slightly fast or quick receiver he got embarrassed .

 

I think they need to move him to safety.

I think you're overestimating the need for speed and coordination in our zone system, but I also disagree with your observations of him. No worries though, we will see one way or another how he pans out.

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I think that people are realistic about Garrett's chances. To be brutally honest there is not really a huge amount of hype surrounding him. I mean he was a UDFA after all, albeit a 3-4 round projection by many, but a UDFA nevertheless. And it's not like Rivera has the proclivity to give rookies an equal playing field vs vets in anything more than rhetoric, so Garrett will really have to force his hand by really standing out. That's just an uphill battle in my estimation that I wouldn't put any money on. The main thing that gives people hope is probably him being the nation's leading receiver in yards last year (even against some higher level of talent). You don't lead the nation in yards by a mistake, so along with his meaurables the upside is almost palpable.

The comparison to Dwayne Jarrett is not totally on point. Jarrett was by all accounts a polished route runner whose physicality was somewhat in question, particularly when he was jammed at the line. He was also slow. But probably the most meaningful difference is that Jarrett was somewhat of a head case coming out of school with a less than stellar attitude. Garrett reportedly has a good attitude and takes nothing for granted, as he has had to overcome a few obstacles to even make it to this point. That motivation makes people want to believe that he an continue to climb even higher. And lastly, Getty called all these guys really smart. Jarrett had the mental acuity of a box of rocks. 

Believe me, I understand what you're saying overall, though I don't quite get the Jarrett comparison, but I just don't see Garrett's tape as any less compelling than Worley's or Sandland's (who excites me greatly). The thing is, due to their respective positions, their road to being on the 53 roster is much greater simply because there is much more legitimate competition at the WR spot. That's just the way I see it.

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16 minutes ago, Bronn said:

Tackling may be a little suspect, but he definitely lays the wood sometimes.

See :36, 1:55 below

One thing about him I think I forgot to mention is that he gambles a bit too, but he jumps routes very well...

Fair enough. He definitely popped those two guys for sure. I've just seen too many instances of him bouncing off runners, getting stiff armed helplessly to the ground or just outright whiffing on tackles. That worries me if we are going to play him in the slot where his tackling ability will be important. Of all the guys we drafted I think he needs a redshirt year the most. His tackling and tendency to get burnt on double moves need lots of coaching. Talent is there though.

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