When a player doesn't fit your system

[CatMan72]

This is exactly why a guy like Bradberry can have a 2nd round grade for us and a 5th or 6th round grade for someone else, neither is wrong - it's a question of system fit. 

[panthers55]

22 hours ago, Ruff said:

There's always been two ideas about how to build a team (this goes for both college and the NFL): Do you choose an excellent athlete that you can mold or do you choose a guy who, might not be as athletically gifted, but fits immediately into your system. It's an interesting take on building a team, and both ways have had success over the last few years. 

Under Fox we did a lot of picking folks who fit our system and using vets primarily, but with the current group of coaches we are bringing in guys who are athletic and teaching them the system.  The using guys who fit your system right away is fine if you need instant contributors but using the athletic talented model is much better to raise the overall depth and quality of your team and build for the long term.  

[iamhubby1]

"When a player doesn't fit your system". You don't bring him in. DUH!

[Ricky Spanish]

18 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Under Fox we did a lot of picking folks who fit our system and using vets primarily, but with the current group of coaches we are bringing in guys who are athletic and teaching them the system.  The using guys who fit your system right away is fine if you need instant contributors but using the athletic talented model is much better to raise the overall depth and quality of your team and build for the long term.  

I disagree. With Hurney, it seemed like he just picked whoever was rated highest and then they tried to fit them into the system we had in place. 

[Bartin]

15 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

"When a player doesn't fit your system". You don't bring him in. DUH!

The competing philosophy is if you can get a great player then you change your system so it fits him. Not really relevant for players drafted in the late rounds, but it's what we did for Cam on offense.

[tiger7_88]

20 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

I disagree. With Hurney, it seemed like he just picked whoever was rated highest and then they tried to fit them into the system we had in place. 

The huge (and maybe only) exception to that is Cam.

[csx]

17 minutes ago, Bartin said:

The competing philosophy is if you can get a great player then you change your system so it fits him. Not really relevant for players drafted in the late rounds, but it's what we did for Cam on offense.

that also coincided with a coach and coordinator change 

[tiger7_88]

31 minutes ago, csx said:

that also coincided with a coach and coordinator change 

And even then, after as many things were "adapted" for the offense in order to take advantage of Cam Newton's unique skill-set, Rivera lost us multiple games over the his first 3 years by slipping back to "going by the book" instead of using his new "Cam Newton book".

[UKPanther94]

I dont think I've ever trusted a GM/Front Office than I do with Gettleman

[Bartin]

39 minutes ago, csx said:

that also coincided with a coach and coordinator change 

Still, Chud added a bunch of stuff to his playbook he probably never planned to use before in his previous stints

[panthers55]

4 hours ago, Cracka McNasty said:

I disagree. With Hurney, it seemed like he just picked whoever was rated highest and then they tried to fit them into the system we had in place. 

Every team has a system in place that players have to fit into. And no college system is as complicated as the most simplistic NFL system. That isnt the issue.  The issue was whether you pick athletes who have athletic potential and teach them your system, or pick players who have experience in your type of system so they can fit right in. Fox was terrible at developing players. If you couldnt play in his system right away you didnt make it longterm.  How many receivers did we ever develop under Fox.  Now think how many receivers have we already developed under Rivera.

[panthers55]

4 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

And even then, after as many things were "adapted" for the offense in order to take advantage of Cam Newton's unique skill-set, Rivera lost us multiple games over the his first 3 years by slipping back to "going by the book" instead of using his new "Cam Newton book".

Rivera didnt lose them anymore than the players did.  You can argue that Rivera wasnt aggressive enough but you could argue that Cam didnt know how to finish games and win in crunch time like he did last year or that players failed to execute on defense and let teams beat them such as Norman's gaffe that cost us the Buffalo game everyone blames on Rivera.

[iamhubby1]

On ‎5‎/‎2‎/‎2016 at 2:35 PM, Bartin said:

The competing philosophy is if you can get a great player then you change your system so it fits him. Not really relevant for players drafted in the late rounds, but it's what we did for Cam on offense.

 

If that great player is a QB I could see it. However, there are few great players worth changing your philosophy for. Your philosophy is what you do, who you are as a coach. Not sure many players can get a coach to change his philosophy.

[CatMan72]

He also said if you didn't get interceptons in college you're not going to get them in the NFL *cough* McKenzie Alexander *cough*