Offensive Line

[chknwing]

15 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

So, in your opinion, drafting Germain Ifedi or Shon Coleman was and is the future key to stopping Von Miller?

You do know how ridiculous that sounds, right?

as far as stopping von miller, nah I chalk that one up to the coaches for ignoring to send help against miller.  Gettlemen preaches trench warfare and that big men allow you to compete but hes only put emphasis on one side of the ball.  At some point you have to upgrade the quality of depth you have on oline. The center position is scaring the poo out of me.  Velascoe wasn't popular but he was quite capable of stepping into that center position. Hes gone.

[KB_fan]

Not whining about Remmers or Oher nor wanting to do anything to change the starters UNLESS Daryl Williams CLEARLY smokes Remmers in training camp.

Never expected to get a starting OT in the draft (esp. picking at #31), and certainly not one who could face Von Miller!

Just wanted another tackle and maybe another center to be grooming... hopefully Gettleman finds a good OT with some potential for the future among the UDFAs or team cuts.

[KB_fan]

1 hour ago, Gin and Juice said:

None that are better than what we have without going back into cap hell lol

But there might be one who could be a backup... that's what I'm focused on.  Behind Remmers, Oher & Williams we have:

Foucault & Hawkins.    Unless something major has changed with Foucault, neither are ready to start a game.

[TheSpecialJuan]

5 hours ago, KB_fan said:

I knew we weren't going to get an immediate starter on Oline, but I really thought we'd pick up some solid depth picking a guy like Haeg or Shell in a later round.  It seemed really promising when they were both on the board at the start of the 5th given our trade with the Browns gave us the #2 pick in Round 5.

Tackle is really a position of critical need.  I'm pretty cool with Remmers & Oher starting.  It's not that I'm trying to replace them.  But it's our lack of depth behind them that has me quite alarmed.

Here are the other tackles on our roster:

Daryl Wiliams:  We're excited about this kid, but he's still pretty totally unproven.  He had a grand total of 83 snaps last season, mostly in jumbo packages.  Maybe he will beat out Remmers for the starting job... but if not, HOPEFULLY he is still adequate depth as a backup at RT or LT.  But he's only 1 guy.

Who else do we have who can backup tackle...  Say Remmers has to miss 2 or 3 games for some reason.  We start Williams.  Who them backs up him and Oher?

Right now we have two options:

1.  French Canadian giant David Foucault ... is there any evidence he is ready to make the roster and be a solid backup?? He at least has some game experience, playing in 5 games (128 total snaps) in 2014 (but most of us are trying VERY hard to forget that, it was a disaster!)  He was activated for 1 game last season as an emergency backup but did not play at all in 2015.

2. Practice squad guy Donald Hawkins.  (A 2014 UDFA signed by Philly who's bounced around a few teams' practice squads.  Here's his 2014 draft blurb).  He's played in 1 NFL game.  (Update: it's worse than I thought.  In that 1 game he only played 1 snap on ST.  UGH.)

 

So, I'd say that AT A MINIMUM we urgently need a free agent vet who can backup at tackle... plug & play, ready to go.

BUT, with Oher & Remmers in contract years, we would have been wise to pick up a new rookie to be grooming for the long term.

Interior depth is good with Chris Scott and Gino Gradkowski. I would stil ove to see us re-sign Amini for depth purposes. Daryl Williams and Remmers will fight it out for RT spot. 

The glaring need is a true backup/eventual replacement for LT Michael Oher.

[beastson]

I think back to the SB and yeah oher and remmers were dominated, but it was shula fault for putting them in constant 1 on 1 situations. The game plan was flawed and it was a clear lack of planning for their 2 DE's. The SB wasn't just "another" game. It was highly disappointing to hear denver players say absolutely nothing changed from watching film 

But yeah there's no depth at LT

[Nobwagonfanhere]

4 hours ago, chknwing said:

If this is a hypothetical cut down to 53, and gettlemen signs a couple of OL for depth before september, who do u cut?  It was hard enough getting down to 53.

 

What are you doing with Jeremy Cash?  I really think he makes the 53 man roster and contributs.

[KB_fan]

There are really going to be some brutal roster cuts.  We're going to have to get used to our training camp darlings not having a lot of chance to make the roster.

I'm already predicting there will be a HUGE fan club for UDFA Andrew Bonnet (the FB) if he's any good...  this year's Lee Ward...!

[jasonluckydog]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

So, in your opinion, drafting Germain Ifedi or Shon Coleman was and is the future key to stopping Von Miller?

You do know how ridiculous that sounds, right?

I wasn't talking just the draft but in everything we need depth at oline and it hasn't been addressed.  btw I love how you came up with some random opinion and then call it ridiculous, now that's some funny poo. 

[tiger7_88]

3 minutes ago, jasonluckydog said:

I wasn't talking just the draft but in everything we need depth at oline and it hasn't been addressed.  btw I love how you came up with some random opinion and then call it ridiculous, now that's some funny poo. 

It wasn't a random opinion.

It was YOUR opinion.

Plus, we signed interior OL depth in this very offseason.  And, unless you're counting on Daryl Williams to be injured again this year, a healthy Daryl Williams *does* provide depth.  Or, conversely, if Williams wins the starting RT position, Remmers provides depth.

[carpanfan96]

Been telling everyone since day 1, that if Gettleman follows the NY ways then OT will be low on the list of priorities it was mainly about the guards and centers but even those were taken with lower picks. 

 

You win with hogmollies, but first two rounds is for skill position, pass rushers and defense. You can get decent Hogmollies for Guard and center deeper in the draft. 

KB, Star, Butler, Shaq. 

Funchess, Bradberry, KK, Ealy

 

First two rounds since Gettleman has been here. 

[The_Rainmaker]

8 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Been telling everyone since day 1, that if Gettleman follows the NY ways then OT will be low on the list of priorities it was mainly about the guards and centers but even those were taken with lower picks. 

 

You win with hogmollies, but first two rounds is for skill position, pass rushers and defense. You can get decent Hogmollies for Guard and center deeper in the draft. 

KB, Star, Butler, Shaq. 

Funchess, Bradberry, KK, Ealy

 

First two rounds since Gettleman has been here. 

I disagree although defense might have smiliarites the Offense is completely different from what the Giants ran. Panthers are a run first team with the most diverse run game in the leauge thanks to Cam. If thats the Panthers identity we should spend a high draft pick an OT who excels in run blockng for RO Triple Option, Inside zone, outside zone, counter, QB  run off tackle etc etc and  of course provide pass protection.

Good example would have been La'el Collins if we had a chance to draft him.

[tiger7_88]

5 hours ago, The_Rainmaker said:

I disagree although defense might have smiliarites the Offense is completely different from what the Giants ran.

Did you read the words he wrote or just the ones in your head?

The guy you were responding to didn't say that Gettleman is running the same offense/defense that NY did, he said he's using the same drafting philosophy that NY did.

[Gin and Juice]

15 hours ago, KB_fan said:

But there might be one who could be a backup... that's what I'm focused on.  Behind Remmers, Oher & Williams we have:

Foucault & Hawkins.    Unless something major has changed with Foucault, neither are ready to start a game.

I don't know man! I hear you and deep down share the same concerns, but they got this! 

Remember....better and better each year! Deeper and Deeper each year. We can't knock what the staff is doing, even if it appears we have no O line depth. 

It's possible that once Getts feels that the team has been built outside of the O-Line that he pulls the trigger and trades down into the top 10 for a Franchise Tackle. Meanwhile, I think Oher becomes Pro Bowl material now that he has some stability 

 

[The_Rainmaker]

8 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Did you read the words he wrote or just the ones in your head?

The guy you were responding to didn't say that Gettleman is running the same offense/defense that NY did, he said he's using the same drafting philosophy that NY did.

Yes I know, the point being his draft philosophy will change due to the uniqueness of the Panthers offense