Someone sell me on why Butler was a good pick?

[brandon_87]

22 hours ago, ARSEN said:

Reinember nisar season end last year we had absolutely no push from DL?  Green Bay game, Philly, Colts, Giants, Falcons, Seatle?  Short got warned out and QBs took us apart in 4th qtr... We need more push up the middle all 60 minutes...  Not 40 mins.

Gonna have to say we let up In tbose Games. Outside seattle amd second atlanta game (which was fuxed), we wwer Just trying to end the game.

 

 

 

 

Cant Edit as I type on mobile, this poo Is lame

[Castavar]

44 minutes ago, brandon_87 said:

Gonna have to say we let up In tbose Games. Outside seattle amd second atlanta game (which was fuxed), we wwer Just trying to end the game.

 

 

 

 

Cant Edit as I type on mobile, this poo Is lame

There is a reason for those let ups. D-line got exhausted by the 10 minute mark in the 4th, and QB's had pretty much all day to pick us apart. Perfect example is that Colts game. Our D-line was straight SMASHING Luck into the ground. Then by the 10 minute mark in the 4th what happened? D-line noticeably got gassed and Luck had all damn day to throw and just tore our secondary apart. And that's just one of many examples from last year. Hopefully with Butler, that won't happen anymore as he will allow KK and Star more rest throughout games while having no dropoff. Like people said, now we would be dominating O-lines for 60 minutes instead of 50 minutes, which is a HUGE difference between a loss and a win.

[aussiePanther]

Massive conversation on this in the Draft Pick thread that went 38 pages.

From that thread two comments I made was:

On 29/04/2016 at 5:11 PM, aussiePanther said:

Refer to the snap counts already posted in this thread, Short had too many, Soliai replaces Dwan. Plenty of snaps left for Butler as everyone gets rotated more than last year. Less late game defensive drop-offs as a result.

Basically "rotational" is not only "depth" you need at least 4 DTs as "starters", we should roll with 5 on gamedays.

On 29/04/2016 at 4:28 PM, aussiePanther said:

Some of you need to watch this and realise that Getts is talking straight when he says what he says. He flat out answers some of the issues you have with this pick.

You still won't like the answers he gives, and that's totally fine, but at least you'll have the answers about "why":

http://prod.video.panthers.clubs.nfl.com//CAR/videos/dct/video_audio/2016/04-April/160429_Draft_Presser_Gettleman_Rivera-500k.mp4

 

[Razeyfingers]

I guess my perspective of this is that he's not a rotational guy. He will play in the rotation in the 4-3 defense on the defensive line, but he will likely "start" in many formations for certain situations.

 

Its kind of the equivalent of saying your 3rd wideout starts. Whatever, he's going to stomp faces anyways. Im sure Brees and Matty Lice didnt like the pick and Jameis is too young to know it yet.

[MadHatter]

1 hour ago, Razeyfingers said:

I guess my perspective of this is that he's not a rotational guy. He will play in the rotation in the 4-3 defense on the defensive line, but he will likely "start" in many formations for certain situations.

 

Its kind of the equivalent of saying your 3rd wideout starts. Whatever, he's going to stomp faces anyways. Im sure Brees and Matty Lice didnt like the pick and Jameis is too young to know it yet.

This^^^

People are not understanding that DT is different than most positions on the field.  Starters do NOT play nearly all of the downs.  Starting DT's play 50-60% of the snaps.  So, basically you have 3-4 "starting" DT's that play close to the same number of snaps.  This is the recipe for successfully keeping pressure on the QB for 4 full quarters.

[Moose Hoover]

6 minutes ago, MadHatter said:

This^^^

People are not understanding that DT is different than most positions on the field.  Starters do NOT play nearly all of the downs.  Starting DT's play 50-60% of the snaps.  So, basically you have 3-4 "starting" DT's that play close to the same number of snaps.  This is the recipe for successfully keeping pressure on the QB for 4 full quarters.

Yep, it's like a hockey line or tag team partners in wrestling.

[brandon_87]

13 hours ago, Castavar said:

There is a reason for those let ups. D-line got exhausted by the 10 minute mark in the 4th, and QB's had pretty much all day to pick us apart. Perfect example is that Colts game. Our D-line was straight SMASHING Luck into the ground. Then by the 10 minute mark in the 4th what happened? D-line noticeably got gassed and Luck had all damn day to throw and just tore our secondary apart. And that's just one of many examples from last year. Hopefully with Butler, that won't happen anymore as he will allow KK and Star more rest throughout games while having no dropoff. Like people said, now we would be dominating O-lines for 60 minutes instead of 50 minutes, which is a HUGE difference between a loss and a win.

Im not going to completly disagree, but In close games, they kept pressure consistent,not exhausted at all. That.... leads me to believe we played vanilla d while up by 4 scores throughout the season. Just my personal observations

[csx]

11 hours ago, aussiePanther said:

Massive conversation on this in the Draft Pick thread that went 38 pages.

From that thread two comments I made was:

Basically "rotational" is not only "depth" you need at least 4 DTs as "starters", we should roll with 5 on gamedays.

 

I don't think we've featured 5 on GameDay.  We typically have 4 on the active roster at any given time unless an injury has forced us to carry an extra. As soon as Star was healthy last year they cut Cole. Maybe they change that but it's been 4 the last several years.

[KB_fan]

1 hour ago, csx said:

I don't think we've featured 5 on GameDay.  We typically have 4 on the active roster at any given time unless an injury has forced us to carry an extra. As soon as Star was healthy last year they cut Cole. Maybe they change that but it's been 4 the last several years.

I'm not positive, but I think CJ's injury played into the decision to cut Cole.  We brought in two guys to replace CJ - Allen & Delaire, so someone had to get cut.

I'd have to check the transaction dates to see if I'm remembering correctly.

[csx]

7 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

I'm not positive, but I think CJ's injury played into the decision to cut Cole.  We brought in two guys to replace CJ - Allen & Delaire, so someone had to get cut.

I'd have to check the transaction dates to see if I'm remembering correctly.

The year prior was the same. 

Star came back for game 3. Cole played the first two, did not play at all the third week and then was cut. He was already inactive before CJ got hurt.

[Bartin]

Hell, we didn't even bring in a DT to cover for Dwan when he was injured midseason for a few games. That's a primary reason Kawann got so many snaps last year. We played a few games with only 3 healthy DTs and Kawann was the only 3T. Kony went inside a little more to compensate but I think Addison was also dinged up at the time so for the most part Kawann was doing nearly the whole job there. I think that played a major role in some of those late game defensive collapses.

[teeray]

Meh.  He will sell himself.  Or he won't 

[CRA]

On May 1, 2016 at 1:30 AM, cookinbrak said:

I think KK might be able to shift to the outside.

This ain't Madden...you don't move arguably the best DT in 2016 to DE because you drafted a DT.  

You want KK on the field for every meaningful snap we play.   Sure he needs some breaks but getting him on the sideline or moving him is the opposite of what you want to do with that caliber of player 

[CRA]

1 hour ago, brandon_87 said:

Im not going to completly disagree, but In close games, they kept pressure consistent,not exhausted at all. That.... leads me to believe we played vanilla d while up by 4 scores throughout the season. Just my personal observations

People keep claiming our DTs got tired as a defense of this pick.

only thing that stood out was despite elite DT our DE did virtually nothing for huge chunks of the season.  The DEs were the issue