Gettleman's biggest weakness IMO

[Gin and Juice]

I'm gonna explain this one time and hope most of you are smart enough to get it.

Each year in the draft, there are only a handful of players that may stand out a little more than others. Their physical or mental maturity may be SLIGHTLY higher than the remaining draft pool. Of this handful, 60% will be spotted and usually pepper the top 20. There is usually very little human difference between first off the board and UDFA's.

What separates draftees is work ethic and potential in the system of the drafter. Mocks mean nothing unless you know what teams value in their system! How Dave ranks a player will always be better for the Panthers than how Mayock or NFL ranks a player because Dave knows our system!

There are no hidden super humans in the draft. There is no obvious golden egg that we must cheer Dave onto finding. It boils down to who Dave thinks can be a golden egg.

Its a lot like flow testing a bunch of stock engine heads! It's not about which stock head is the best, it's about which head will fit the engine package the best after some machine work and polishing to give the engine the best performance.

[dugbug]

So who cares about nerd draft moves when we get to the Super Bowl.  Let them get the players they want

[dugbug]

48 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

I'm still trying to gauge why people considers last years draft some huge success? Last season was the first time in forever none of our rookies were even the race for ROY.

Till this day I still say we reached on Shaq and Funchess. Shaq won't even become a full time starter till 2 or 3 years, Funchess couldn't beat out Cotchery.

 

Both pics are in rotation positions.  You don't want to be good 60% of the time then give up a 1st down with scrubs.  damn I thought shaq did great

[pantherclaw]

The ONLY draft board that matter is the Panthers. It's not just set by him, but by coaches, and scouts. 

So the value is there, even if you can't see it.

[Wundrbread33]

So you make an argument, then say it doesn't really matter?

Well this is much ado about nothing.

[billionairemonk]

25 minutes ago, Gin and Juice said:

I'm gonna explain this one time and hope most of you are smart enough to get it.

Each year in the draft, there are only a handful of players that may stand out a little more than others. Their physical or mental maturity may be SLIGHTLY higher than the remaining draft pool. Of this handful, 60% will be spotted and usually pepper the top 20. There is usually very little human difference between first off the board and UDFA's.

What separates draftees is work ethic and potential in the system of the drafter. Mocks mean nothing unless you know what teams value in their system! How Dave ranks a player will always be better for the Panthers than how Mayock or NFL ranks a player because Dave knows our system!

There are no hidden super humans in the draft. There is no obvious golden egg that we must cheer Dave onto finding. It boils down to who Dave thinks can be a golden egg.

Its a lot like flow testing a bunch of stock engine heads! It's not about which stock head is the best, it's about which head will fit the engine package the best after some machine work and polishing to give the engine the best performance.

this guy gets it

well said

[The Huddler]

yeah gettleman needs to abondon his tried and true methods of evaluation and learn to read minds

[pantherclaw]

fuging laughable how many amateurs are questioning one of the best in the game at evaluating talent. 

 

What other worthless games do you people like to play?

[greghardy'sAK-47]

1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

I'm still trying to gauge why people considers last years draft some huge success? Last season was the first time in forever none of our rookies were even the race for ROY.

Till this day I still say we reached on Shaq and Funchess. Shaq won't even become a full time starter till 2 or 3 years, Funchess couldn't beat out Cotchery.

 

you do realize that just prior to gentleman getting here many of our draft picks were wash outs -- as in not in football anymore after playing for carolina.

now we are complaining because every single one of them aren't full time starters by the time their rookie season is over. 

[top dawg]

First of all,  you can only do so much in the draft. Other teams have interests and will trade up in front of you,  depending. You can't let that affect your board.  That's just the nature of the beast.  You can lose a lot by playing the move game,  so you have to keep your nerve and stay focused and sober-minded. 

Secondly,  I am kinda glad that Getty flipped the script,  as I have always thought that you should be savvy enough to shake things up and adapt depending upon the dynamics of a particular draft.  Yes, I feel that each draft is its on animal,  and each version of your team,  its own situation.  So,  it's refreshing to see that Getty can adapt,  which is more pertinent in the later rounds,  as far as I'm concerned. On an off note,  I used to think that clutching too firmly to his script was Gettleman's biggest weakness. I  guess that I can put that notion to bed. 

Lastly---I don't  know because I'm no scout---I just don't see a  clear distinction in talent level from one position to the next after the third round this year,  so to me it's OK to give up a mid to later round pick to move up and get someone you want. One bird in the hand is better than a dozen in the bush. 

So weakness...nah. Just keeping his eyes on the prize.  He knows what he's doing. 

 

[ed bell]

I for one believe that Rivera and staff do a tremendous job at player development. Part of the drafting scheme seems to focus on how teachable these players are. It's an X factor that is likely only apparent in face to face interviews. 

[KSpan]

1 hour ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

However, Gettleman is atrocious at gauging other teams interest in a prospect.  This causes him to consistently draft players based on his perceived value, and not the league consensus value.  He wastes draft picks trading up for players who more than likely would have been available.

 

We can never be certain of this however.

You contradict yourself with these statements, and who cares if players are a 'reach' if they perform well and contribute. This is not to say that this year's picks are assured to do that, but so far his drafts have gone pretty well.

For me, however, the larger concern is that drafts that only yield 4 or 5 picks require a strong hit rate. Again, it's worked out well thus far and the FO has earned the benefit of the doubt but still something to watch.

[ctrcat]

Byard is listed as a "5th/6th" on our visits board thread, yet goes right after Bradberry.  

It's only a bad pick if in retrospect another player taken after proves to be a better pick.  Silatolu was a bad pick because of what we missed after.  Kugbila wasn't the disaster most think because we lost nothing, even got our guy Klein the next round-who, of course, appears as good as anyone taken in the 4-7 rounds in 2013.

Trying to imagine anyone taken in the 3rd being a better pick makes me feel better about both these guys.  I don't see a better fit for us at all.

[Byrdman4real]

Gman finds needle in the haystack players that works in our system the best. Lets just hope he find one player which can help the offense as well. I trust what he doing. We needed a CB and we got two. Just like when we needed DT two years back. Our defense will be better this year then last. Now work on the offense.