Sorry. Gettlemens Draft This Year Blows

[csx]

4 minutes ago, Moose Hoover said:

haha..."gettleman's not being gettleman enough!"

Cry when he doesn't draft for need

Cry when he does draft for need

Just cry to hear yourself cry

[tiger7_88]

19 minutes ago, Cat said:

Most GMs do. Doesn't make them right all time. 

And there it is.

The inevitable straw man.

And Cat knocked that sucker down with a vengeance.

[Newtcase]

To me this just illustrates that the Panthers have an approach to building their board and they apply it without prejudice.  It obviously doesn't contain building blocks from Todd McShay, Mel Kiper or other teams for that matter.  It's easy to call a pick a reach without any knowledge of how other teams build their board and seeing Mel Kiper stunned saying I got nothing.  But I give zero fugs about Mel Kiper and would be totally disgusted if he had any input in our draft room.  

What's the old draft saying?  It's better to get the player you want too early than to miss him too late.  I trust the FO and coaching staff.  What reason do we have not to?  I'm on board until DG's failure rate starts exceeding his success rate and that would take a huge swing of events.

[CatMan72]

On 4/30/2016 at 11:07 PM, chknwing said:

throw what in my face? he didnt get good draft value.  thats fact. any player drafted can pan out and become good but in terms of the draft his value sucked balls

We can't assess the value until we see these guys play. Gettleman obviously believes in them, so that's good enough for me for now. Deciding "this draft blows" before we see any of these guys play is silly.

[chknwing]

7 minutes ago, CatMan72 said:

We can't assess the value until we see these guys play. Gettleman obviously believes in them, so that's good enough for me for now. Deciding "this draft blows" before we see any of these guys play is silly.

Grooming 3 cbs simultaneously isnt silly? Thats 3 roster spots where the players will spend most of their time watching from the sidelines.  Then u have to have players on the roster that will actually play and start. we could be carrying what 7-8 cb/dbs?  

[Panthers8969]

On April 30, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Rastlet said:

I bet 1 of the 2 corners if not both don't even make the 53.

lmao

[Panthers8969]

9 minutes ago, chris999 said:

This draft looks good when you look at the whole defensive depth chart.

Losing Norman sucked... But we have added some size and youth to our secondary, and some much needed rotation on the line that will help our defense from getting tired and letting opponents back into the game in the second half.

Not to mention on situations when we need to rush the QB, imagine C. Johnson/ Star/ Butler/K Short with KK on the edge as a pass rusher...  There are all kinds of posibilities to imagine, especially with the leagues best and fastest LBs behind them swarming, and a youthfulsecondary ballhawking off of QB pressure.

 

Early prediction... Carolina attains the number 1 defense for at least a period this coming season.

Im looking forward to CJ/kk/butler/ealy. That should be a very disruptive combo on 3rd and long

[CatMan72]

23 minutes ago, chknwing said:

Grooming 3 cbs simultaneously isnt silly? Thats 3 roster spots where the players will spend most of their time watching from the sidelines.  Then u have to have players on the roster that will actually play and start. we could be carrying what 7-8 cb/dbs?  

We groomed 2 DT's to start next to each other at the same time a few years ago with a lot of success. We have Boykin to play the slot and Bene penciled in as a starter outside so we only really need to focus our grooming on either Bradberry or Worley to start. We'll let them compete for the job in camp and go from there. We may carry a higher # of CB's for one year while we develop our next generation of starters. I don't think any of that is silly. We need to rebuild the position group, so like DT a few years ago we might as well stock up on guys we like and get started. We drafted BPA at a position of need, which is what we've always done under Gettleman.

[Panthers8969]

1 hour ago, Cat said:

 

on another note: Gettleman needs to improve his business practices with his employees. I'm getting tired of players leaving CLT feeling that the manner in which they were let go was lousy. I understand it's a business, I think the players understand that as well but you can still treat people in a caring way and that doesn't seem to be happening yearly. 

so much this. Is it that hard to communicate with someone before cutting them? This is my only real gripe with gman. I trust his football knowledge and decisions, but just be nice and open with players

[Mr Mojo Risin]

3 hours ago, Cat said:

I normally don't criticize drafts and I sure as hell hope it turns out well despite the clear lack of planning and good strategy. Here are my problems:

-clearly drifted (admittedly so) from BPA

-why did we do that? because we needed CBs. If we needed CBs so badly that we likely reached 3 times and altered from our typical drafting method it's because JNo isn't here. IF that is the result of JNos absence, we should have kept him around for one year under tag and drafted his replacement.

on another note: Gettleman needs to improve his business practices with his employees. I'm getting tired of players leaving CLT feeling that the manner in which they were let go was lousy. I understand it's a business, I think the players understand that as well but you can still treat people in a caring way and that doesn't seem to be happening yearly. 

I'll try and explain the BPA philosophy the best I can. There are a few things that go into the "BPA" method that you have to consider. We will never draft a player that is not a need for the team. Every team's draft board is different. We place guys at the top of our board who are smart, have some production, and fit our scheme. I have no doubt all 3 of those corners were close to the top of our board when we picked. The only one that may have been a slight reach was the Worley pick. But Gman is so smart and so good at drafting I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this draft.

[KB_fan]

3 hours ago, Cat said:

So you believe that both of those CBs just happened to be the BPA? 

 

Someone else explained it well in another thread.   Imagine you have 3 or 4 players at different positions ranked the same on your board.  There are actually several "BPA" but due to need you choose to pick the CB.  The need at the position breaks the tie.

[Cat]

7 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

Someone else explained it well in another thread.   Imagine you have 3 or 4 players at different positions ranked the same on your board.  There are actually several "BPA" but due to need you choose to pick the CB.  The need at the position breaks the tie.

Yeah, I get that. However I prefer drafting BPA not BPA depending on need

[Nick_81]

14 minutes ago, Cat said:

Yeah, I get that. However I prefer drafting BPA not BPA depending on need

So you'd take the LB there, instead of the corner?

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

Actually, Hurney still owns the best 3 yr window IMO.  2003-2005 > 2013-2015 slightly. 

People didn't question Hurney enough when he did dumb stuff either at first....people forget Hurney at one point had Gettlemen hype too.  

i know, i remember that.  hurney rightfully received that kind of hype wrongly or rightly because the franchise was relevant in ways that it hadn't been before over his first handful of years.  i was a big hurney fan until 2009 myself.

i didn't pin things down to a particular time frame when i referred to a "run of success" because i believe the current one is ongoing.  the panthers followed 2005 with two consecutive non-winning non-playoff seasons, a one-and-done playoff loss that's easily on the short list of the worst games in franchise history, an 8-8 non-playoff season, then three straight losing seasons before hurney was finally canned.  i don't even need to mention the awe-inspiring parade of shitshow drafts, trades, and contracts from 2009-2012 because we're all familiar with them.

i think what gives gettleman the edge and what will eventually bring the franchise a title is his scouting experience and the fact that he's been immersed in the actual blood and guts of championship football for decades.  hurney didn't have that kind of background.

i know you didn't bring this up, but i've seen it over and over again as of late, and one of the major criticisms hurled at gettleman (he doesn't have to do anything bc the core was drafted by another guy!) was true of the early hurney years too.  jenkins, smitty, moose, minter, rucker, morgan, and the entire OL outside of gross if i remember correctly were on the team prior to 2002.