Carolina Panthers select DT Vernon Butler

[Proudiddy]

 

I'm telling u DG is doing this to take KKs/Star play down a notch so that he can get him signed to a better deal. tell them their play fell off in 2016. yadda yadda. Dave knows how to play the game.  Reduced snaps = reduces stats. KK/Star cant exactly command a huge contract if they dont have the stats to back it up.

Except that player can go get more money from a team who is offering them more snaps as well.

[Floppin]

 

Yeah, KB will make a huge difference, but we still could use some speed and reliable hands there outside of him.  Funchess still has a lot to prove.  Regardless, OL, IMO, namely tackle, was most important.  I'm not saying WR was bad enough that it needed to be addressed in the first, just that it was one of the bigger contributing factors to the loss.

There were no tackles that wouldn't have been a huge reach at our spot and if the offers to trade down weren't of enough value to getts to justify doing so....you can't really be upset with the value of the pick.

[Cpt slay a ho]

 

could use any of:

KK when we drafted Short,

Ealy when we had CJ and tagged Hardy, 

Shaq when we have Luke, TD, and Klein for depth, or even Mayo after we went Shaq in the 1st.

 

Fact of the matter is Getts goes BPA (for our system/schemes) without worrying about who's already on our roster. And he's shown over the last 3 years it's the best way to go.

when we drafted star and short we need dt's badly, hardy was never going to be here long term apparently, and shaq doesn't see the field enough to make a impact. BPA is overrated, of course you don't reach but there were guys there that could have made a better impact.Not to mention the log jam at Dt, good players but they won't see the field enough IMO

[Floppin]

 

when we drafted star and short we need dt's badly, hardy was never going to be here long term apparently, and shaq doesn't see the field enough to make a impact. BPA is overrated, of course you don't reach but there were guys there that could have made a better impact.Not to mention the log jam at Dt, good players but they won't see the field enough IMO

DT is different than the position shaq plays in that it's rotated heavily. Even so shaq balled out late in the year as his snaps increased.

[Cary Kollins]

Love it, especially after hearing Gettleman say he was shocked he was there.

 

Dude is going to be a monster.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

So how  many times does DG have to explain that he is going to take the BPA before people start to believe him?
Vernon Butler was the highest player on their board and they drafted him. That's it.

 

[Proudiddy]

 

There were no tackles that wouldn't have been a huge reach at our spot and if the offers to trade down weren't of enough value to getts to justify doing so....you can't really be upset with the value of the pick.

Well, for the sake of critical thinking, what's more valuable?  A potential rookie starter at DE, a potential rookie starter at CB or a rotational DT who may start years later?  All those options were seen as good value at our pick when we made it.

I know that's essentially rhetorical because it doesn't matter what we value, it matters what DG values.  But, these are the things I think about when it comes to our picks.

[Nick_81]

 

Their defense was better because our OL and playmakers were inferior.

We had over 100 more yards of offense than they did.  265 vs 141 through the air and 118 vs 90 on the ground.  They had a fuging insane defense, primarily DL.  It's the ONLY reason they got there, and won.  Without it we roll them. Having an awesome defense should always be priority.  I want offensive players to, but I have zero problems with this pick.  Maybe we get some offense in round 2.  Still some great players there.

[JawnyBlaze]

I don't see us switching to a 3-4, but honestly we have the personnel for it. It would just miscast some of our current players. Starting DL of Short - Star - Butler with CJ and/or Kony rotating in at DE on passing downs. Addison actually has a way to contribute more meaningfully at OLB. Luke and TD at MLB (though TD is small for that role).  Delaire rotating at OLB. CJ at OLB on running downs (he's played in a 2pt and in coverage a number of times for us). 

Biggest problems are Kony doesn't have much of a role here and Shaq has pretty much none. Could maybe try to switch him to SS. 

So no, I don't see it happening at all, but it would be possible. 

[aussiePanther]

 

1) when we drafted star and short we need dt's badly, hardy was never going to be here long term apparently, and 2) shaq doesn't see the field enough to make a impact. BPA is overrated, of course you don't reach 3) but there were guys there that could have made a better impact.Not to mention the log jam at 4) Dt, good players but they won't see the field enough IMO

1) we did, but no one expected 1st AND 2nd rounds when we also needed OT, WR, etc.

2) disagree.

3) I'll go with Getts who said Butler was "the biggest impact on the board" and "we had 7 teams asking us to trade down, but the value was just too good, his impact is too big"

4) Our D-line rotation was lacking last year and meant we allowed teams to stick around in games. I saw the stats that Star saw <50% of snaps and Short ~65% plenty of room for a learning, growing DT who should become a future star.

[Floppin]

 

Well, for the sake of critical thinking, what's more valuable?  A potential rookie starter at DE, a potential rookie starter at CB or a rotational DT who may start years later?

I know that's essentially rhetorical because it doesn't matter what we value, it matters what DG values.  But, these are the things I think about when it comes to our picks.

At our spot CB value was gone. DE maybe but DG had said prior he felt good about our DE position. I think people need to start listening to what he says. He pretty much tells the truth about his intentions.

[Mr. Scot]

 

Well, for the sake of critical thinking, what's more valuable?  A potential rookie starter at DE, a potential rookie starter at CB or a rotational DT who may start years later?

I know that's essentially rhetorical because it doesn't matter what we value, it matters what DG values.  But, these are the things I think about when it comes to our picks.

Whomever is the best player.

If you take a player who's not as good as someone else just because of the position he plays, that is the definition of reaching for need, and it's a formula for making your team worse.

[XClown1986]

 

I do get the feeling that we may have promised him we'd take him if he was there though.  Anyone else see him dab walking out on stage and also he dabbed in his pre-draft video shoots that they showed going out to the commercial break...  or he was a fan of the team regardless of where he thought he was going.

Who gives a poo who promised who anything? The fact is that Vernon Butler may have the highest ceiling of not only any DT in the draft, but any D Lineman in the draft. What should Gettleman have done? Said "Well we have Star and KK, so I should take a 2nd rate player at a "need" position instead of a potential stud." This line of thinking would have had us passing on Cam (we just drafted Clausen), Luke (Beason was getting "healthy"), and KK (we had just drafted Star in the previous round). I personally admire Gettleman's ability to stick to the board. 

What if Minnesota passed over Adrian Peterson because Chester Taylor was just coming off a good year? What if Green Bay passed on Aaron Rodgers because they believed they could get another 7 years out of Favre? The right moves often take guts to make, because initially they look wrong.

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

 

DT is different than the position shaq plays in that it's rotated heavily. Even so shaq balled out late in the year as his snaps increased.

I felt we could have got the same value in the 2nd, especially for a guy who will be rotated heavily. That's true shaq played good going into the playoffs, but it's like Luke's situation,he didn't shine until beason went down