Wow: Norman tried firing his agent and signing the tender, but Gettleman had already rescinded

[KillerKat]

Just now, Doc Holiday said:

said it before and I'll say it again, this was a dumb move by DG. made no sense on any level.

Makes perfect sense if he wanted money to retain both Star and KK and other players to form a complete team instead of giving all the money to 1 player or 2. 

[tiger7_88]

54 minutes ago, CRA said:

At some point, the players in Carolina could legitimately start taking issue with the GM.  Front office tension could come into play eventually.

Gross, 89, maybe here...it is debatable how well he has handled some pretty big time players.  Players take note of how a front office treats "them".

Good.

Bye!

I'm sure there are tons of other team begging for their talents.

[Castavar]

Gettleman managed to rebuild our team, get us out of cap hell, WHILE STILL growing into a true playoff contender in just 3 years and people STILL throwing shade at him. People on here never fail to amuse me with their overreactions.

[ickmule]

1 minute ago, Growl said:

If me inciting enough people to trash you for the tantrum you throw every single time we miss a tackle is enough to compel you not to do it out of pride then I've gotten more than Norman has this week

Good luck with that. I realize I overreact to game situations, but I'm still a diehard fan and not planning to change how I rant during games. It's a good outlet. 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

1 minute ago, KillaCamNewton said:

First mistakes? He's done some great things while he's been here, and he's also done some completely moronic things. That 3-8-1 start to 2014 was directly his fault. Gettleman thought Byron Bell and Nate Chandler was an acceptable tackle tandem, Gettleman signed Decoud and Cason, Gettleman cut Steve Smith and forced us to rely heavily on an unpolished rookie. The Hardy situation played a big part too, but other than drafting KB and Turner, Gettleman's 2014 offseason was an absolute blunder. 

I love that Gettleman has gotten us out of a terrible cap situation and drafted well and built a good mix of talented youth and savvy veterans, but the idea that people on here think he's the primary reason that we made a Super Bowl this year is laughable. You look at our 8 best players from last year, which in my opinion would be Cam, Stew, Olsen, Kalil, Short, Luke, TD and Norman, all of them but Short were already here before Gettleman. We also already had a coach that's put together dominant defenses everywhere he's been with different systems and different levels of talent in different positions. Combine that with the most dangerous dual-threat QB to ever play the game and it's not hard to see why we've been good for the last 3 years.

Again, I love the guy and we're lucky to have him, but it blows my mind how people really think every move he's made has been a homerun and overvalue how much he's really been responsible for our success

i look at this on a unit by unit basis, particularly with the offensive line and secondary.  4 out of 5 of the starters on the OL in the 2015 season had been drafted or brought in by gettleman.  remmers was the clear weak link there but over the course of the season it was an enormous improvement over 2014.  the entire secondary outside of norman was drafted or signed by him.  the entire WR corps (still a work in progress before somebody saws my head off) was completely rebuilt by him.

the 2014 offseason sucked and bell/chandler was a travesty.  there were legitimate cap implications re: steve smith that were discussed to no end at the time.  the OL debacle was partially salvaged by the emergence of remmers as an upgrade over chandler (i know his name is mud on this site but he did play much better than nate did) and bell's play improving somewhat near the end of the season with norwell beside him.  remember that chandler, bell, and amini were all hurney draft picks or signings too.  that was only his second full year in the big chair and as you can see by the mere mention of those three as starters this team still had serious depth issues.  3 out of 5 of the OL would be replaced by gettleman signings or draft picks by the end of the year and their performance as a unit was noticeably better.

[morgan55]

Bye josh...  Should have came back but u didn't... Let's move on, josh won with the big money contract and now we have a hole to fill.. We will fill it and move on.. 

[Growl]

2 minutes ago, ickmule said:

Good luck with that. I realize I overreact to game situations, but I'm still a diehard fan and not planning to change how I rant during games. It's a good outlet. 

lol thats not the purpose of the game day thread or this forum in general. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

you know i would say i'm surprised that the blame is shifted to anyone but dg but i'm not this is becoming a common theme, yes normans rookie agent played a part in this but in no way should that result in what occurred, you get paid to negotiate, so you know.....negotiate.  

If true Dg takes this L, you have to handle situations like this better, He had all the leverage in the world against josh until he rescinded the tag.These excuses and explanations are out there imo, not a back breaking move but one that wasn't necessary or handled correctly according to this article 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

you know i would say i'm surprised that the blame is shifted to anyone but dg but i'm not this is becoming a common theme, yes normans rookie agent played a part in this but in no way should that result in what occurred, you get paid to negotiate, so you know.....negotiate.  

If true Dg takes this L, you have to handle situations like this better, He had all the leverage in the world against josh until he rescinded the tag.These excuses and explanations are out there imo, not a back breaking move but one that wasn't necessary or handled correctly according to this article 

i'm not swayed by people insisting that gettleman should have played pattycake with an agent who didn't know what he was doing.  as far as DG knew, josh's camp was absolutely refusing to budge.

we'll just have to agree to disagree i guess.

[greghardy'sAK-47]

probably would have been norman's last season as a panther (especially now knowing the kind of money he commanded), but it would have given the panthers some time.  sounds like the agent was blowing smoke up norman's ass and probably the panther FO as well. panthers should think long and hard before ever dealing with the agent again.  

i'm not overly worried about the situation other than to say it is going to be next to impossible to make up for norman's loss in the secondary.  will have to make up for it in the trenches and find some viable hold-over options in the defensive backfield.  gentleman's done it before.  

[rayzor]

Blame for this falls on Norman's agent for not keeping Norman in the loop. Of course blame ultimately falls on Norman for hiring this clown in the first place.

[Doc Holiday]

12 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Makes perfect sense if he wanted money to retain both Star and KK and other players to form a complete team instead of giving all the money to 1 player or 2. 

I feel like I'm breaking this down for the 100th time, it got so bad in a few threads of me repeating myself I just stopped replying.   

But with all that said......

No one of any significance had a contract up this season(2016-2017) besides Norman. Every other core/important player was already under contract for next year. Meaning, we don't have to pay them till next year.  We had plenty of money and time to play hardball with norman and could have easily forced him to sign the Franchise Tender which word is now he was willing to do.  And with the least of the dead money and bad contracts coming off our books next year we would still have no problem signing any of our other core players next year. 

God I feel like the only person on here at times who has ever paid any attention to offseason contract negotiations before. someone in another thread when I told them this, told me the panthers rescinded the offer because they never had budgeted Normans tag into this seasons salary cap......  

[ickmule]

Just now, Growl said:

lol thats not the purpose of the game day thread or this forum in general. 

If you actually go back and look I don't post during games as much as you make it seem. You just choose to remember the times I posted something you didn't agree with. Part of the negativity comes from not trusting certain players until they have proven themselves over long stretches. It's no different than how I felt about Josh. He hadn't proven himself over a long period to deserve the money he wanted. Another year of that same preformance and I would have felt that he was worth it, but I'm still of the opinion that it was more scheme than anything. Not saying he isn't talented, hers just not a shutdown corner like he believes. After last season I'm more confident about several key players so you would have noticed less negativity from me all around. That's how I have always been. People need to prove they are clutch for me to have confidence in them. Honesty, how clutch was Josh in the Super Bowl ? Didn't he drop 2 sure INT's. Elite players don't choke in that situation. 

[pstall]

Josh has to think of 1 guy.  Brother Dave has to think of 53.

My only gripe is this is the 2nd big name to walk with nothing in return. 

But you roll the dice and live with it.