Wow: Norman tried firing his agent and signing the tender, but Gettleman had already rescinded

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

41 minutes ago, jtm said:

I'm pretty sure you can tag and trade a player although it rarely happens

you can, he just had to sign the tender first which is one of the key components here

he was actually on the non-exclusive tag which means he could field offers from other teams and if the panthers couldn't/didn't want to match it they'd be entitled to two first round picks from whatever team he signed an offer sheet with.  so they'd be giving up two first round picks and taking on a big contract which is a massive price to pay.  if he had signed the tender he could have, at least in principal, been dealt for almost any compensation.  but no team would be willing to do that unless a long term offer had more or less been agreed to before the transaction.

no matter how you cut it, all parties have to be on the same page for a tag and trade to work which is why they're so uncommon.

[The_Rainmaker]

14 minutes ago, Nick_81 said:

You have to be joking... right?  I mean, obviously he didn't do it all by himself, but to say Ron, Cam, and Luke are 70% of the reason?  C'mon man!

Yea no poo , it doesn't matter how good a GM , the game ultimately comes down to players and coaches also do the math 100% / 4 = 25%  so individualy  he is getting more Credit. But it seems your blind love for  Gettleman is coming in the way C'mon man 

[Nick_81]

Just now, The_Rainmaker said:

Yea no poo , it doesn't matter how good a GM , the game ultimately comes down to players and coaches also do the math 100% / 4 = 25%  so individualy  he is getting more Credit. But it seems your blind love for  Gettleman is coming in the way C'mon man 

Lol, blind love for Gettleman?  Too funny...

The guys you mention deserve their due credit, for what they've done to contribute to the team's success.  They are far from 70% of it.

[Anybodyhome]

Since Gettleman arrived, the number of players who "have parting words" for the organization continues to increase. 

If it's just a couple fringe players here and there, I can understand the belief that it's sour grapes. But the fact of the matter is there have been more than a couple players, including seasoned veterans, and one has to ask when do you start paying attention to what these players are saying? 

 

[Nick_81]

1 minute ago, Anybodyhome said:

Since Gettleman arrived, the number of players who "have parting words" for the organization continues to increase. 

If it's just a couple fringe players here and there, I can understand the belief that it's sour grapes. But the fact of the matter is there have been more than a couple players, including seasoned veterans, and one has to ask when do you start paying attention to what these players are saying? 

 

What's the number up to now?

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Anybodyhome said:

Since Gettleman arrived, the number of players who "have parting words" for the organization continues to increase. 

If it's just a couple fringe players here and there, I can understand the belief that it's sour grapes. But the fact of the matter is there have been more than a couple players, including seasoned veterans, and one has to ask when do you start paying attention to what these players are saying? 

 

Wait....so we are worried about what crybaby Williams and hothead Smith are saying about a team that cut them?

Of the "big players" that we have released, pushed toward retirement, etc....the only one that really hurt us was Gross.

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

Yea no poo , it doesn't matter how good a GM , the game ultimately comes down to players and coaches also do the math 100% / 4 = 25%  so individualy  he is getting more Credit. But it seems your blind love for  Gettleman is coming in the way C'mon man 

Who do you think acquires the players?

[nctarheel0619]

Just doesn't look right at all.  

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

cam and luke were on the team in 2012 when we went 7-9.  as was hardy, charles johnson, steve smith, thomas davis, williams/stewart, tolbert, olsen, gross, kalil, and on and on.  that team was also being coached by ron rivera.

of course most reasonable people would look at that and go "well duh, but the surrounding cast was pitiful and there's only so much a handful of star players can do"

of course that has certain ramifications if you're putting it out there that our team's success is predicated on like three people right now.  and if you consider who actually builds the rosters.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

of course that has certain ramifications if you're putting it out there that our team's success is predicated on like three people right now.

Ramifications being that the whole notion is silly?

[frash.exe]

13 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

Since Gettleman arrived, the number of players who "have parting words" for the organization continues to increase. 

If it's just a couple fringe players here and there, I can understand the belief that it's sour grapes. But the fact of the matter is there have been more than a couple players, including seasoned veterans, and one has to ask when do you start paying attention to what these players are saying? 

 

Funny how nobody bitched about Marty Hurney when the panthers were in the cellar for years

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

i mean if someone is making it seem like it's as simple as a tiny core of players drafted by hurney carrying this team surrounded by a bunch of gettleman's crap it stands to reason that the 2012 panthers should have gone 15-1 right?  seems pretty simple to me.  that team even had greg hardy and smitty too.

[Mr. Scot]

25 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

i mean if someone is making it seem like it's as simple as a tiny core of players drafted by hurney carrying this team surrounded by a bunch of gettleman's crap it stands to reason that the 2012 panthers should have gone 15-1 right?  seems pretty simple to me.  that team even had greg hardy and smitty too.

Well to be fair, the people making that argument are kind of stupid.

[Nick_81]

10 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Wait....so we are worried about what crybaby Williams and hothead Smith are saying about a team that cut them?

Of the "big players" that we have released, pushed toward retirement, etc....the only one that really hurt us was Gross.

 

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ramifications being that the whole notion is silly?

 

Just now, frash.exe said:

Funny how nobody bitched about Marty Hurney when the panthers were in the cellar for years

There's a very common theme here.  People make comments such as, "We let all the good players walk," or "All the people who have left trash the front office, so something must be wrong."   You question that line of thinking, and you are in the "Gettleman can do no wrong" camp.  It has nothing to do with "loving" Gettleman, it's fuging common sense to break down those comments for what they are; 

• We let all the good players walk.  Okay, who are they?  Give me the breakdown on the great players we just let walk.  D-Will wasn't one, hell he hasn't been poo since 09'.  Hardy... ROFL!  I guess you could question Smitty, but it was obvious he either gassed out, or laid down after the game against us.  Looks to me like Norman is the biggest name we let walk.  I'll give you 1.5 given Smitty's namesake.  No, we don't let all the good players walk.
• We low-ball all of the good players so they won't stay.  Seriously, this has been said countless times the past week alone.  Okay, who have we low-balled?  Norman.  That's it, and it's only because the position isn't valued as highly as the interior, on this particular team.  Cam got paid like a top 5 QB.  Luke got paid as the top MLB in the league.  Olsen/Davis got paid very competitively for their positions, especially considering their ages.  I'm willing to bet KK gets a very competitive contract.  No, we don't low-ball all of the good players.
• We don't go after big name free agents.  No poo...  We had no money to do it before.  When we did have some extra, we signed Cam, Luke, Olsen, Davis, and quite a few other smaller contracts(Gano, Dickson, etc.).  You can talk about how many big name free agents get their big contract, and don't do poo after, but you always get the "Well look at what NE did with Revis..."  One out of how many?  LOL.