Wow: Norman tried firing his agent and signing the tender, but Gettleman had already rescinded

[Mr. Scot]

46 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

The most recent reports have it at 10M per.

Regardless, Jeremy even spoke with him at varous points theoughout the season, and even he will tell you he didn't think it was about the money for Josh.

He just took it because once we rescinded our offer, why would he give anyone else a discount?

Igo also said Josh told him he was willing to sit out the entire season to get what he wanted, and I have little doubt his dumbass agent made that threat to Gettleman.

That, plus the fact that Josh didn't actually fire his agent until after the tag was rescinded makes me question this story.

And come on. You know that every time they say it's not about the money, it's about the money. They can claim that it's about this, that or the other but if the measuring stick for "this, that or the other" is still the size of the paycheck, it's about the money.

[trueblue]

[Montsta]

Imagine if you could by a new car, and then after several months you could turn it back in if you had buyers remorse. 

Gettleman tagged Josh hoping for a long term deal, while accepting the fact that he may just get a really expensive one year rental. 

Havig been snake bit from expensive one year franchise tag rentals in the past (Hardy), he may have decided that it wasn't worth it and that the money could better be used elsewhere. 

Josh could have signed the damn tag months ago and chose not too. If he had a remedial agent that didn't keep him informed of how negotiations were going, then that is on him. 

And the whole willing to fire his agent and come back thing is a moot point as the paperwork was already filed and it was no longer in Gettleman's control. So anything about "well Gettleman is stubborn and arrogant and wouldn't have taken him back anyway" is speculation.

[CRA]

13 hours ago, CelibatePimp said:

I would agree with you if not for the ruthless hooded one. Pats are more ruthless than any organization when it comes to roster building and yet they are able to get enough to compete year in year out. Truth is players are not monolithic in thinking and you will continue to have a pool of free agents with different motivations.

Patriots sleepwalk to the postseason EVERY year.   They are basically an anomaly.....15 consecutive winning seasons.

15!

If they won every other year....I bet players in that organization would take issue with more 

[beastson]

I'm going to keep it 100

I see why DG didn't want Norman for that tag, it was Greg Hardy. Hardy being irresponsible after that tag which ended up being a waste is what made DG not want to risk that happening again. So I can't fully blame DG there, however he was a little too quick to make that decision because from a football standpoint, DG is overestimating his defense without Norman as well as so many others here are doing too. Or maybe DG isn't directly aiming for SB this year, maybe the next season he'll be active in FA who knows

[CarolinamanSB51]

Question: How do you think this will effect the team with Josh no longer being a Panther?   I've watched our D from last year and it seems to me that the opposing teams were under so much pressure from the defensive line along with the safety's, that when the QB threw the ball in Norman's direction he capitalized every time. So did Luke, Coleman and Davis what made Josh stand out was the way he made the catch, he was laid vertical in the air against the saints and it looked very pretty along with some interceptions being returned for touchdowns.

 

[Montsta]

1 hour ago, Proudiddy said:

Well, you might want to check through your own posting history before making that statement.

Regardless of your jabs, the truth is, you can't definitively say it was the right move.  Come back and talk to me after one of our midget corners gets thrashed by Julio twice this year that it was the right move.

And you can try to spin it how you want, but Gettleman, for someone that appeared to have a good working relationship with Josh and publicly supported him, yanked the rug out from underneath him without any warning, simply because he felt insulted by the numbers and/or lack of progress.  He didn't call Josh himself beforehand, he just did it.  Which is the same thing he did with Smitty.

You're clearly blind to that, so it really doesn't matter what you or I say at this point, you aren't going to acknowledge facts.

Josh's representatives are hired to do his negotiating. This concept that Dave Gettleman somehow "owes it" to players to inform them of anything is ridiculous. 

When the DA is deciding what to charge me with and what kind of a deal I can get, she talks to my lawyer, who then talks to me. She doesn't call me directly to make absolutely super duper sure that my lawyer and I are on the same page. 

[MadHatter]

3 minutes ago, CarolinamanSB51 said:

Question: How do you think this will effect the team with Josh no longer being a Panther?   I've watched our D from last year and it seems to me that the opposing teams were under so much pressure from the defensive line along with the safety's, that when the QB threw the ball in Norman's direction he capitalized every time. So did Luke, Coleman and Davis what made Josh stand out was the way he made the catch, he was laid vertical in the air against the saints and it looked very pretty along with some interceptions being returned for touchdowns.

 

He laid vertical in the air against the Saints because he was BEAT on the play.  A well placed ball by the QB and the Saints would have won that game.

So, he would not have needed to made a spectacular interception if he had not been beat.

[Nick_81]

Just now, beastson said:

I'm going to keep it 100

I see why DG didn't want Norman for that tag, it was Greg Hardy. Hardy being irresponsible after that tag which ended up being a waste is what made DG not want to risk that happening again. So I can't fully blame DG there, however he was a little too quick to make that decision because from a football standpoint, DG is overestimating his defense without Norman as well as so many others here are doing too. Or maybe DG isn't directly aiming for SB this year, maybe the next season he'll be active in FA who knows

Hardy could have possibly played a role in the decision, but it's speculation, like everything else.  I wouldn't say he's overestimating his defense though.  I'm sure he knows how much Norman helped this defense.  

It's starting to become pretty clear that Norman's agent screwed the pooch with this.  Norman had no clue what was going on, according to recent reports.  That's between him and his agent, not him and Gettleman.  Gettleman probably assumed Norman was in the loop the whole time.  That's what agents are supposed to do.

[CRA]

23 minutes ago, beastson said:

I'm going to keep it 100

I see why DG didn't want Norman for that tag, it was Greg Hardy. Hardy being irresponsible after that tag which ended up being a waste is what made DG not want to risk that happening again. So I can't fully blame DG there, however he was a little too quick to make that decision because from a football standpoint, DG is overestimating his defense without Norman as well as so many others here are doing too. Or maybe DG isn't directly aiming for SB this year, maybe the next season he'll be active in FA who knows

Hardy showed irresponsibility before the tag...

We just went to the Super Bowl...and Cam is still young enough where he can go cheat code/god mode.  Not going for a Super Bowl? Cam's in a weird window of his career where he can do more than he will later....we need to quit giving him the shaft and forcing near perfect play.  He needs talent around him for error. 

 

[Sam Mills Fan]

19 minutes ago, MadHatter said:

He laid vertical in the air against the Saints because he was BEAT on the play.  A well placed ball by the QB and the Saints would have won that game.

So, he would not have needed to made a spectacular interception if he had not been beat.

That was a Seattle fan talking point last year. Glad we're adopting those now.

[blackcat]

Jno waited to sign the tag for a reason and it didn't work out like he thought it was going to.  His agent didn't do him any favors and he realized that too late in the game.  

[therealmjl]

11 minutes ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

That was a Seattle fan talking point last year. Glad we're adopting those now.

Better than 'Sam Mills Fan' talking points. Amirite all?

[Proudiddy]

44 minutes ago, Montsta said:

Josh's representatives are hired to do his negotiating. This concept that Dave Gettleman somehow "owes it" to players to inform them of anything is ridiculous. 

When the DA is deciding what to charge me with and what kind of a deal I can get, she talks to my lawyer, who then talks to me. She doesn't call me directly to make absolutely super duper sure that my lawyer and I are on the same page. 

Good example.  But, i got caught in the details...  my point was, if he wanted to make it happen, he would have.  And he didn't, so he rescinded then offer and tactfully told him to kick rocks.

As i discussed with Scot in the other thread, the other important point I'm trying to make is that contrary to popular belief, Gettleman is not devoid emotions in his position, and he has even admitted as much.

We don't know the ins and outs of what happened here, and we likely never will.  But, as i said, this situation and the one with Smitty illustrate to me a few times out of many, where Gettleman did let his emotions play into the decisions being made.  That's all I'm saying.

The arguments to be had here between posters though are based off whether people actually valued Josh or not...  if they didn't - "Gettleman for earth king and president.  Give him your finest linens and hand over your wives for him to impreganate with the next GM of all-time!"  Of they do value Josh, "F*ck Gettleman!  He's a heartless prick!  His soullessness is only rivaled by Hitler himself!"  When neither is what is really being said or felt, but people draw their lines and piss.