Wow: Norman tried firing his agent and signing the tender, but Gettleman had already rescinded

[Randolph Panther]

Time to move on.  

[therealmjl]

Just now, Randolph Panther said:

Time to move on.  

Exactly. It really isn't that big of a deal at this point.

Norman had a chance to re-sign with us last offseason and also all along this offseason. Hell, he probably still could have signed a deal after we rescinded, but he was too busy flying on Redskins One after that $$$$.

He got what he wanted, and the Carolina Panthers will be better in the long run.

 

Move on you emo-fans. It's draft week.

[pantherclaw]

6 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Just as I suspected and discussed in my thread defending Josh that night...

This just pisses me off all over again.  Most of the blame goes on that dumbass agent, but this report pretty much proves I was correct in paralleling it with the Smitty "saga."  Like I said in the other thread, Gettleman has earned my respect with his scouting and drafting abilities, but he is too quick to want to show what a hard ass he is and it has cost us twice now.  I really wish he would quit acting like a fuging baby and stop taking umbrage at every fuging thing outside of someone kissing his ass and give things like this their room.

I'd say it's unbelievable, but it's not considering he's done it twice here now.  And are people still going to defend his actions as not taking things "personal" now?  But, Gettlemagic circlejerk, amirite?

Gettleman isn't about ego. 

He certainly did not cost us Josh Norman. JoshNorman's camp cost ys Josh Norman. Josh's ego got in the way. 

Now you can not like the fact that Gettleman won't pay 15 mil a year for a CB. That's what JOSH wanted, and that's what he got.  

Josh could have still signed with us. 

Misplaced frustratuons for $1,000.

[Ornias]

11 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

First mistakes? Where have you been for the past 3 off-seasons.

 

The players and their agents do not have a very high opinion of Gettleman - especially the veterans. Gettleman gets used by any player of value to the league. Young players he drafted will require top dollar from him when their contract is up. It is getting to a point where Gettleman is the teams biggest distraction internally. That is irony.

Gettleman runs the Panthers based on a foundation of loyalty to the team. However, he delivers no loyalty to any of the players on the team or the player in negotiations when it comes time to build the team in the off-season.

Some may want to pretend like this formula will not come crashing down, but we all know the outcome of this system of management. Once he has used up his surplus left to him from his predecessor, there will be nothing of substance to hold on to for the future. It will be a system of interchangeable used parts and player development/projects that will be leaving for better pay when their business deal is up.

You mean like the Patriots do? Take care of the team superstars and then make everything else interchangeable?

[pantherclaw]

1 hour ago, jtm said:

Sounds like Gettleman didn't think Norman was worth $14 million with no hope of signing a long term deal.  I'm assuming there was no interest in trading and Gettleman sought to maximize our compensatory pick. 

Can't trade a player that isn't under contract.

[pantherclaw]

18 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Well, you might want to check through your own posting history before making that statement.

Regardless of your jabs, the truth is, you can't definitively say it was the right move.  Come back and talk to me after one of our midget corners gets thrashed by Julio twice this year that it was the right move.

And you can try to spin it how you want, but Gettleman, for someone that appeared to have a good working relationship with Josh and publicly supported him, yanked the rug out from underneath him without any warning, simply because he felt insulted by the numbers and/or lack of progress.  He didn't call Josh himself beforehand, he just did it.  Which is the same thing he did with Smitty.

You're clearly blind to that, so it really doesn't matter what you or I say at this point, you aren't going to acknowledge facts.

Players hire agents for a reason. 

 

[Proudiddy]

Just now, pantherclaw said:

Gettleman isn't about ego. 

He certainly did not cost us Josh Norman. JoshNorman's camp cost ys Josh Norman. Josh's ego got in the way. 

Now you can not like the fact that Gettleman won't pay 15 mil a year for a CB. That's what JOSH wanted, and that's what he got.  

Josh could have still signed with us. 

Misplaced frustratuons for $1,000.

You don't know what he wanted.  What we do know is that 10Mil per was a lowball offer.  12M was reasonable and do-able.  Josh took 15M because he was a free agent and was free to do so.  He obviously didn't recieve that offer while wsiting to sign the tag, so if we had given him a reasonable offer, he likely would've taken it to stay.

 

His agent is a dumbass, but he wasn't wrong in refusing to sign for 10M per.  That was a joke.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

2 minutes ago, Ornias said:

You mean like the Patriots do? Take care of the team superstars and then make everything else interchangeable?

you're better off not worrying about that guy

if there was a modern-day sisyphus his punishment would be writing rebuttals to cpantherking posts only to watch him go to another thread and make the exact same points verbatim as if it never happened.

[pantherclaw]

4 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

You don't know what he wanted.  What we do know is that 10Mil per was a lowball offer.  12M was reasonable and do-able.  Josh took 15M because he was a free agent and was free to do so.  He obviously didn't recieve that offer while wsiting to sign the tag, so if we had given him a reasonable offer, he likely would've taken it to stay.

 

His agent is a dumbass, but he wasn't wrong in refusing to sign for 10M per.  That was a joke.

Yet there were reports that 12 million was offered. Yet he didn't sign. 

Josh is gone due to Josh's camp. Not ours. 

 

[shaqattaq]

12 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I feel a bit differently hearing this.  Sounds like we had a chance to possibly keep him and Gettleman acted bullheaded.  

Assuming this is true.

If the paperwork to rescind had already been filed, there is no tender to be signed. it's a done deal. The only option would have been a contract of some sort. Not G-man's fault. I doubt either side wanted a straight up 1 year 14 million deal. Josh got his $75 mil deal, and Gman didn't overpay for a CB, even for 1 season.

[Proudiddy]

4 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Yet there were reports that 12 million was offered. Yet he didn't sign. 

Josh is gone due to Josh's camp. Not ours. 

 

The most recent reports have it at 10M per.

Regardless, Jeremy even spoke with him at varous points theoughout the season, and even he will tell you he didn't think it was about the money for Josh.

He just took it because once we rescinded our offer, why would he give anyone else a discount?

[CatMan72]

If we were willing to spend the 14 mil on Josh at that point we could have done a one year 14 mil contract with him, but we wanted the 14 mil more than we wanted Norman... Gettleman said it himself.

[Vagrant]

Folks, this changes nothing. You don't gamble with more than you're willing to lose. This is a business. If Norman wanted to stay here, he would have signed the tender the minute it was issued to him. If you give the organization time to consider what life without you looks like, don't blame them for using that time to evaluate what life without you looks like. It was a gamble by Norman and his agent and it didn't work out in the conventional sense. The good news for Norman is that he got to pick his destination and he got the money he was after. Carolina obviously decided it wasn't interested at that number. Ideally this works out for both parties.

If you want to stay somewhere, don't risk it. Sign the tender. If a few extra million a year is your goal then don't be shocked when you get it from another team.

[therealmjl]

41 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

The most recent reports have it at 10M per.

Regardless, Jeremy even spoke with him at varous points theoughout the season, and even he will tell you he didn't think it was about the money for Josh.

He just took it because once we rescinded our offer, why would he give anyone else a discount?

Come on. It was ALWAYS about money. He wanted to be recognized as a top CB. Thus, he wanted to be paid as a top CB in order to have his name on the list of "top CBs". It is pretty easy to understand that.