Gettleman's impressive draft history

[KB_fan]

2 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

That is fuggin impressive.  Find another team in the league that can say they drafted productive players over 80% of the time!!

Agree DG's drafting is VERY impressive, but for a few players like Tre, CAP, Daryl Williams, Mayo and even perhaps Ealy, it might be a bit premature to assess their value.  They've been solid depth so far, but we'll see how some of them (Tre, Ealy, Daryl Williams) do when called to start full time.

Don't forget G'man's UDFA success too (Norwell, Philly Brown...)

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

People act like first round picks are gimmies...they aren't. 

Hurney hit those every year.  I mean we basically discredit everything about the dude at this point.  He constantly hit.  I don't think you can take that away from him. 

Teans can go a decade and never get a Cam or Luke.  We got 2 during a cherry picked bad window of drafting 

4 straight drafts that were all pretty much the definition of boom or bust isn't cherry picking

off the top of my head even if you want to go all the way to 2005 (11 years ago) that only adds thomas davis, jonathan stewart, charles johnson, and ryan kalil as players that are relevant to the panthers in 2016.

most of this "hurney core" was on the team when the franchise bombed out in the late fox years and wobbled to 6-10 and 7-9 records in 2011 and 2012.  to quote the great poet jeff foxworthy our star players were like a chandelier hanging in a haunted house.

[KB_fan]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

I still caution people about the law of averages...

 

2 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

Are we looking at a regression to the mean, or a pattern of sustained quality drafts? With drafts having an element of skill vs luck, I would think the latter. 

Good questions.  I'm thinking another really solid draft and the continued improvement of the 2014 & 2015 draft classes will begin to help us answer this question soon.  I'm thinking Leeroy could be right.  The fact that DG also seems to find great talent among the UDFAs (Norwell) and "discarded" free agents (Harper, Coleman, Oher, Ginn..) tends me to believe that his success is due to skill, not luck.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

the wide receiver corps, entire offensive line outside of kalil, the entire secondary outside of josh norman, and pretty much the entire D-line outside of charles johnson (did hurney bring in dwan edwards?  i don't remember) were gettleman guys in 2015.  our biggest stars were undoubtedly hurney draft picks and i'll give him that all day, but there's an entire extra dimension to our roster outside of those guys that wasn't here prior.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, jfo89 said:

Thats because we had 2 top 10 picks in that cherry picked window. You know how much research teams put into their top picks. Visiting family, prior coaches and team mates and having multiple visits with the player. Top draft picks, especially that high, should be gimmes.

Well, how come every year teams screw them up?

2012 alone....I'd say 70% of the top 10 picks were botched. 

2011 was an exceptionally good year and only 20% botched 

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

4 straight drafts that were all pretty much the definition of boom or bust isn't cherry picking

off the top of my head even if you want to go all the way to 2005 (11 years ago) that only adds thomas davis, jonathan stewart, charles johnson, and ryan kalil as players that are relevant to the panthers in 2016.

most of this "hurney core" was on the team when the franchise bombed out in the late fox years and wobbled to 6-10 and 7-9 records in 2011 and 2012.  to quote the great poet jeff foxworthy our star players were like a chandelier hanging in a haunted house.

Well you have to compare what we did vs. the other 31 teams.  

Going off selected picks in the first round Hurney never missed once on talent.  Name another team that batted 100% on talent.  

Also, if you want to go off record....I personally believe Fox's play to not lose brand of football played a lot into that...not his roster 

[chknwing]

can we stop with the "stolen by the patriots" crap.  Gettlemen took a risk of putting the guy out there and the patriots claimed him.  nothing more. 

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

9 minutes ago, chknwing said:

can we stop with the "stolen by the patriots" crap.  Gettlemen took a risk of putting the guy out there and the patriots claimed him.  nothing more. 

It was highway robbery and you know it. 

[Fox007]

I swear I think some people would prefer the old loser Panthers so long as the player they make love to in their imaginations stay on the team forever.

[Saca312]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

People act like first round picks are gimmies...they aren't. 

Hurney hit those every year.  I mean we basically discredit everything about the dude at this point.  He constantly hit.  I don't think you can take that away from him. 

Teans can go a decade and never get a Cam or Luke.  We got 2 during a cherry picked bad window of drafting 

Well Luke was a luck pick. If the Bucs hadn't picked Mark Barron, Hurney would've snagged him instead of Luke. Cam probably was his most impressive pick, I'll credit him for that. Most controversial pick and questions whether he's a legit QB or just an athlete. Takes a bit of balls to pick him.

 

However, give Gman credit where it is due. He was able to keep the core at reasonable prices. Hurney doesn't know how to manage the cap. Most likely we would've lost one or a few good core players because Hurney lets his emotions get involved and overpays a few people that don't beed that kind of money. Gman doesn't let his feelings get in the way. What he says is final. You don't mess with Gman, the anti-hurney type guy. 

 

 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

47 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

I swear I think some people would prefer the old loser Panthers so long as the player they make love to in their imaginations stay on the team forever.

oh you don't have to imagine that.  you can legitimately venture out into the twittersphere and find people who really believe it.

they look at football like pro wrasslin; more interested in the "personalities" that they've grown to love like smitty and jake delhomme than seeing a winning product.  like they want their sleepy little 8-8 lunch pail panthers back so bad and can't stand "classless" cam newton.

i'm not saying that describes anybody in this topic, but it's certainly something i've seen out there.

[thefuzz]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

People act like first round picks are gimmies...they aren't. 

Hurney hit those every year.  I mean we basically discredit everything about the dude at this point.  He constantly hit.  I don't think you can take that away from him. 

Teans can go a decade and never get a Cam or Luke.  We got 2 during a cherry picked bad window of drafting 

Otah and Everette Brown want a word with you....

And you can say that Brown wasn't a 1st rounder....but we gave up a 1st to get him.

That pick could have been Iupati, Dez, or Demaryius Thomas.......

[ctrcat]

No one in the league even remotely close.  

CAP is unspectacular but serviceable, still a good 5th round pick.  I sincerely don't think we "missed" anything by taking CAP, especially in a league where multiple backs are a necessity.

[Floppin]

7 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Otah and Everette Brown want a word with you....

And you can say that Brown wasn't a 1st rounder....but we gave up a 1st to get him.

That pick could have been Iupati, Dez, or Demaryius Thomas.......

I don't think Otah is one you can really count against him. Otah was a fuging beast before the injuries and then he just decided he didn't want to play anymore after rehabbing for a few years. That's not something that could have been foreseen. We haven't had a RT anywhere close to as talented since.