Norman was not a production of a system

[iamhubby1]

8 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

Obviously no one canv explain Tobyou much at all...move on

 

Um...OK? But what is "Tobyou"? And how does it pertain to losing a player occasionally? Now I really am lost.

[Catweisers]

Every one can say all they want to but only time will tell!! 

It'll be Josh who next year when the Lombardi Trophy comes to roost in BOA.

 

[heel31ok]

1 hour ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Um...OK? But what is "Tobyou"? And how does it pertain to losing a player occasionally? Now I really am lost.

 

1 hour ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Um...OK? But what is "Tobyou"? And how does it pertain to losing a player occasionally? Now I really am lost.

Tobyou is bad,really bad...and lost.

[Camp Fodder]

I'm not saying this was a good or bad move but I think everyone has to agree our team is not as good right now as we were a week ago for THIS YEAR

[csx]

19 minutes ago, Camp Fodder said:

I'm not saying this was a good or bad move but I think everyone has to agree our team is not as good right now as we were a week ago for THIS YEAR

Fortunately there are no games this week.

[Pimpdaddy]

29 minutes ago, Camp Fodder said:

I'm not saying this was a good or bad move but I think everyone has to agree our team is not as good right now as we were a week ago for THIS YEAR

...i think it was a symbiotic relationship with the panthers... we're gonna a miss him for sure...but i also think hes gonna get smoked more than a few times...

 

[Carolina Cajun]

Yes, he was a product of a system, it's why it's important to find guys who fit your system.  VERY few players are what you'd consider system busters (IE good enough to play in any system).  Peyton Manning threw for 4,700 yards and 39 TDs in 2014, then was so bad in 2015 he got benched and booed off the field.  It was system, Fox tailored his system to Peyton and it worked for a while where as Kubiak ran his own system regardless of if the pieces fit.  Adrien Peterson, does anyone remember how there were issues with him in the shotgun/spread formation?  He apparently was uncomfortable and had trouble finding holes so they went back to a pro style system but it made Bridgewater regress.  Darrelle Revis?  Remember him looking awful in Tampa, put a man corner in a zone system and they won't succeed.  Tom Freaking Brady may be the greatest QB of our generation, but if you asked him to do what Cam does, he would fail miserably.  

 

Norman WAS a product of a system, denying that is quite shortsighted.  Gettleman does a great job of getting guys who can maximize their potential within our system as long as they play their roles, it's why Harper was decent, Mitchell was dominant, Coleman was a beast, and Tillman was solid.  Just like past redskins signings, he will be alright, but he won't be the dominant shutdown corner they expect.

[Proudiddy]

On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 2:33 AM, GoobyPls said:

Where was this system for Cason and Florence? where was the system when Bene was getting burned last season? 

 

No one has All-22 and watches game film? The secondary was built around Norman, Harper was able to play the box and Coleman was able to cheat to the opposite side of Norman which made are our secondary one of the best. But now he's a system player?

Our pass rush was horrendous the first half of the season, we went 11 quarters quarters without a legit sack for a stretch of the season. So how exactly was Norman benefiting from the front 4? We blitzed more last season than any season in the last 5 years and the main reason was cause pass rush was so poor. And when we blitzed we left Norman on a island alone usually with the best receiver.

 

I don't think people understand how hard it is to find a CB of Norman's caliber, pass rushers are a dime of dozen. There about 3 corners in the entire NFL that have lock down ability.

 

The offenses is gonna have to bring it up another notch next season, cause I don't know what this defense is gonna do when we face a top tier offense.

 

Thank you! 10/10.  But, you aren't going to convince most of these people that Gettleman makes mistakes until we have to watch it on the field.  And even then, 99% of them will not acknowledge he made a mistake (see WR corps, 2014, Panthers v Ravens, 2014).

 

Look, I'm glad we finally have someone who isn't Hurney as well, but Gettleman is not perfect and people skills and lack of patience seem to be bubbling towards the top when it comes to his flaws.

[CoastalCat]

On 4/23/2016 at 2:33 AM, GoobyPls said:

Where was this system for Cason and Florence? where was the system when Bene was getting burned last season? 

 

No one has All-22 and watches game film? The secondary was built around Norman, Harper was able to play the box and Coleman was able to cheat to the opposite side of Norman which made are our secondary one of the best. But now he's a system player?

Our pass rush was horrendous the first half of the season, we went 11 quarters quarters without a legit sack for a stretch of the season. So how exactly was Norman benefiting from the front 4? We blitzed more last season than any season in the last 5 years and the main reason was cause pass rush was so poor. And when we blitzed we left Norman on a island alone usually with the best receiver.

 

I don't think people understand how hard it is to find a CB of Norman's caliber, pass rushers are a dime of dozen. There about 3 corners in the entire NFL that have lock down ability.

 

The offenses is gonna have to bring it up another notch next season, cause I don't know what this defense is gonna do when we face a top tier offense.

 

We went 12-4 in 2013. Check Josh's game log. Good for him getting the loot. Let's move on. 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

if i remember correctly florence had a legitimately good season in 2013

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

26 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Thank you! 10/10.  But, you aren't going to convince most of these people that Gettleman makes mistakes until we have to watch it on the field.  And even then, 99% of them will not acknowledge he made a mistake (see WR corps, 2014, Panthers v Ravens, 2014).

 

Look, I'm glad we finally have someone who isn't Hurney as well, but Gettleman is not perfect and people skills and lack of patience seem to be bubbling towards the top when it comes to his flaws.

oh he makes mistakes.  he's made mistakes every year since he's been here actually.

the mistakes he's made so far don't have long-lasting effects that screw the team for years which is why i'm willing to live with some failures like the chandler/bell fiasco.

[CoastalCat]

6 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

oh he makes mistakes.  he's made mistakes every year since he's been here actually.

the mistakes he's made so far don't have long-lasting effects that screw the team for years which is why i'm willing to live with some failures like the chandler/bell fiasco.

I have to agree with this based on the shear fact that, while we can't predict the future and determine whether current moves are mistakes, he's operating in a way that's easier to turn around if we go in a different direction. Hurney left with massive obligations to a handful of players and no cash. If we fired Gettleman, he's leave us with (potentially, assuming he's making mistakes) poor talent but a good amount of cash. New guy could simply start signing expensive free agents and drafting the next generation right away if he wanted to rebuild. 

[Nick_81]

10 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

if i remember correctly florence had a legitimately good season in 2013

He and Munnerlyn both had a good season in 2013.

[Proudiddy]

17 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

oh he makes mistakes.  he's made mistakes every year since he's been here actually.

the mistakes he's made so far don't have long-lasting effects that screw the team for years which is why i'm willing to live with some failures like the chandler/bell fiasco.

Well, i appreciate your objectivity in yhe matter.  But, there are many here who don't share that same ability to look at the situation.  

I'm not railing against Gettleman, i'm just trying to make the point that he does make mistakes  and is not infallible.  Like I'vr said a million times, his scouting and drafting ability is uncanny.  But so far, his track record with loyal vets has been hit or miss,IMO.  I use Smitty and Norman as my talking points because both situations left their respective positions in an extremely deep hole, considering they were already pretty thin to begin with.  WR has been an issue since Smitty with KB being the one true bright spot,and Funchess showing flashes late, but it was a contributing factor in our struggles in the Superbowl.

Now, CB...  we had one big playmaker there, and now he's gone.  We'll see how it turns out, but right now, I just think it was a rash decision to let him walk.