Norman was not a production of a system

[DaveThePanther2008]

4 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Norman is the best in the business at jumping routes and reading the QB eyes.

You bring the bills game as he's the sole purpose when if I remember Luke had PI to keep the drive going and get them in field position

With no pass rush, Norman and the LBs were the scheme

Reading eyes and knowing the scheme makes a difference. 

I bring up the Bills game because regardless of how we got there.  Had Norman played our Scheme instead of being rouge we would have won that game.  End of Story.

Like have said twice.  Norman is a great talent but he benefited from our scheme.   If Washington has a good scheme he'll do fine.  If they let him Free Lance.  He'll be cut in 2017.

Each player on our team has bought into what the defense does as a team.  Coleman arguably had better season than Norman.  He wasn't a hot commodity but he fit our scheme and quite well. 

To say Norman did not benefit from our defensive scheme is off base, nearly as off base as saying he is a one hit wonder.

You say all talent,,,,  I say talent and scheme.

[Riverboat Ron]

Guys, it's over, pack it in for 2017. Thanks Gettledouche for not throwing $75 million at Josh! We need answers!

[GoobyPls]

11 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Reading eyes and knowing the scheme makes a difference. 

I bring up the Bills game because regardless of how we got there.  Had Norman played our Scheme instead of being rouge we would have won that game.  End of Story.

Like have said twice.  Norman is a great talent but he benefited from our scheme.   If Washington has a good scheme he'll do fine.  If they let him Free Lance.  He'll be cut in 2017.

Each player on our team has bought into what the defense does as a team.  Coleman arguably had better season than Norman.  He wasn't a hot commodity but he fit our scheme and quite well. 

To say Norman did not benefit from our defensive scheme is off base, nearly as off base as saying he is a one hit wonder.

You say all talent,,,,  I say talent and scheme.

Nobody loses a game on one play. The bills were running all over us that game and there was still time on the clock either way.

 

Coleman did not have a better season in anyway, shape or form. Coleman gave up a ton of big plays and benefitted from Norman taking up one side of the field. I would bet money that this upcoming season Coleman regresses.

Like I said Norman was the scheme. 

[TheNewStandard]

Does anyone here think he can cover KB on a crossing route?

Congrats to J-No. Maybe we'll throw him a bone after we win a couple SBs and he can keep riding coat tails.

[DaveThePanther2008]

29 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Nobody loses a game on one play. The bills were running all over us that game and there was still time on the clock either way.

 

Coleman did not have a better season in anyway, shape or form. Coleman gave up a ton of big plays and benefitted from Norman taking up one side of the field. I would bet money that this upcoming season Coleman regresses.

Like I said Norman was the scheme. 

Norman was not the scheme. 

We'll be Top 5 again in 2016.

[GoobyPls]

14 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Norman was not the scheme. 

We'll be Top 5 again in 2016.

Top 5 what? 

 

We we didn't have a top 5 D last year, I doubt we have a top 10 next season

[TheNewStandard]

10 minutes ago, Haplo E said:

15 mil is a lot of money. And then again, that's the range top corners are getting.

Considering that there are only a small handful of top CB's in the league...unless they are in your division, how often do they even come in-to play on any given day?

This may be a big-deal for the Skins, but J-No isn't covering 3 or 4 WRs. If your team has only one "go-to" receiver, that might be a problem, but it's the othe 3-guys that can make an elite CB besically worthless...

like I said earlier...do any of you think Josh could consistently cover KB?

[Chaos]

Remember Terry Cousins and Reggie Howard?  Not hall of famers or household names, but they were our starting CB's in the 2003 Super Bowl season.  They were successful because of our dominate front 7, that's not a coincidence. 

I'm not saying Josh isn't top talent at his position, but I can't see regression of our defense because he's gone.  If we find more successful pass rush this year, I think that offsets the loss of Norman, and I for one am excited to see if Kony Ealy picks up where he left off. 

[SurvivalSloth]

1 hour ago, Haplo E said:

With a top CB you can double other receivers while he shuts down the #1. Teams have been winning Super Bowls with top CBs lately. Revis, Sherman, Talib/Harris, Butler, the CBs for the last 4 SBs. There is a trend here.

Those teams also had beast front 7's.

[panthers55]

Josh is a great zone corner but he wasn't the system. That is plain stupid. He didn't even cover the number 1 receiver all over the field. You could easily play around him by simply shifting your main receiver to the other side of the field or put him in the slot. He played the same side of the field almost exclusively in zone not man. That is our system. It remains to be seen if he can play in a man scheme every down. But for our team we didn't need to pay a guy 15 million to cover a zone. Not half the field, not taking away a receiver a day but simply his zone whether we play cover 3, cover 2 or another variation. That is why we let him go. We play a system and fit players to our scheme not adapt what we do for a player. If you don't know that then there is no reason to even have this discussion because you may see what happens but have no idea what you are looking at.

[Khyber53]

Josh is a good CB, one of the best playing at the moment. He had a good scheme around him and also put together a break out season last year. He was the difference maker in a couple of our games and he was entertaining throughout. He'd have made an excellent Panther for this season as well, no one would have complained a bit about him coming back.

However... $15 million a year is too, too much to pay for a CB. That is best player on the team money and no one is going to put Norman ahead of Cam or Luke. Third most important to our wins? I'm not sure I would put him ahead of KK and Star, or Kalil. What about TD? The kind of price tag JNo was commanding was going to put a dent in one of those guys' futures with us. 

We'll find a way this year to still win. You can bet on that. And hopefully JNo will shine in Washington... it's a big stage and he deserves the limelight. Two games against OBJ, though... someone is getting ejected before the year is up.

 

[GoobyPls]

2 minutes ago, SurvivalSloth said:

Those teams also had beast front 7's.

The Seahawks and Patriots secondaries were vastly superior to their front 7.

 

 

[juliosantos]

Oh well . We will find our next josh norman 

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, TheNewStandard said:

Considering that there are only a small handful of top CB's in the league...unless they are in your division, how often do they even come in-to play on any given day?

This may be a big-deal for the Skins, but J-No isn't covering 3 or 4 WRs. If your team has only one "go-to" receiver, that might be a problem, but it's the othe 3-guys that can make an elite CB besically worthless...

like I said earlier...do any of you think Josh could consistently cover KB?

Considering Kelvin has been shut down before by CB that are not as good, yes Norman can shut him down.