Gettlemen offered Norman just above 10 mill per season

[Mother Grabber]

Just now, Growl said:

Lol Jordan made like billions off of endorsements and Jordans. That's a horrible example. Josh isn't going to get that. The argument that he should've taken some lowball offer because of that is stupidity incarnate.  

you're now the third person to talk about Jordan's endorsements as an excuse for why he left money on the table. the original point of the discussion is that josh wouldn't leave money on the table, and only stupid internet jack holes would even say they'd leave money on the table. y'all can't say, no one would leave money on the table, and then give an excuse for an example of someone leaving money on the table. you guys can't cherry pick your arguements like that.

the point is that some people follow the money, most it seems, and some people are willing to take less to win championship. Josh is an example of the first group, and Jordan is an example of the second. It doesn't matter what MJs other sources of income were, he could have had a larger salary if he wanted, but he intentionally chose less money to leave more for his team mates.

its not like we were offering Josh $100K. we offered him $10/per year. that's a poo ton of money. he would have been plenty rich with the offer we gave him. he opted for more, and sacrificed his best opportunity to win championships. it was his choice.

[NJPanthers12]

There is one person on this board just making a complete fool of themselves. If anyone watches the panthers and thinks Josh Norman is more important to this team than Star, then that person could not possibly be more lost.

[Growl]

27 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

you're now the third person to talk about Jordan's endorsements as an excuse for why he left money on the table. the original point of the discussion is that josh wouldn't leave money on the table, and only stupid internet jack holes would even say they'd leave money on the table. y'all can't say, no one would leave money on the table, and then give an excuse for an example of someone leaving money on the table. you guys can't cherry pick your arguements like that.

the point is that some people follow the money, most it seems, and some people are willing to take less to win championship. Josh is an example of the first group, and Jordan is an example of the second. It doesn't matter what MJs other sources of income were, he could have had a larger salary if he wanted, but he intentionally chose less money to leave more for his team mates.

its not like we were offering Josh $100K. we offered him $10/per year. that's a poo ton of money. he would have been plenty rich with the offer we gave him. he opted for more, and sacrificed his best opportunity to win championships. it was his choice.

lol people keep mentioning it because you apparently refuse to see how it utterly demolishes your argument in its entirety. Jordan isn't taking less money if he isn't making more elsewhere. Its not a rare occurrence among athletes.

The rest of your philosophy is based off of fanboy rambling about your favorite team and how they're the best and the Redskins are icky and gross. I mean look at that home sellout streak amirite? Best fans on the planet!!!

 

[AceBoogie]

What most of you guys don't understand is that there is a price for playing with a Super Bowl contender. The reason teams like the patriots are always contending is because they don't just hand out dumb ass deals just because everyone else is. 

You want to play with the best you have to sacrifice some money to do so. Or you can just get paid. I'm fine with either. 

[Mother Grabber]

24 minutes ago, Growl said:

lol people keep mentioning it because you apparently refuse to see how it utterly demolishes your argument in its entirety. Jordan isn't taking less money if he isn't making more elsewhere. Its not a rare occurrence among athletes.

The rest of your philosophy is based off of fanboy rambling about your favorite team and how they're the best and the Redskins are icky and gross. I mean look at that home sellout streak amirite? Best fans on the planet!!!

 

ummm...no. not even close.

 

 

oh sorry, forgot the lol.

[Cpt slay a ho]

People need to realize this is not the nba and Us Being back in the Super Bowl is not a lock. Also realize losing pro bowl players did have and impact on the team(Hardy,smith,ect).  So saying Norman is passing up a super bowl run chance when he himself played a very important role in it all defense wise(only behind luke and kk) is a stretch to say the least.

[top dawg]

13 hours ago, SZ James (banned) said:

You will get paid less than Janoris Jenkins and like it you greedy fug 

That made me laugh out loud.

 

That's  about the size of it. You have the ignorant among us trying to push the notion that Norman was a greedy devil, when all he did was just bet on himself and rightfully got paid.  

The only thing that I hear loud,and clear now (which some had already been saying) is that we are not going to pay the price for a top corner in the league. That means the only way we're going to get one is by the draft, and unfortunately by the time that they truly reach their prime, it will be time to let them go. 

People had better hope that Getty continues to not only draft well, but draft people who are willing to play under market value because I suspect that his philosophy (right or wrong) extends beyond corners. 

[Sam Mills Fan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

They didn't go to the Super Bowl.

We, however, did. And did so without them.

And don't give me a dumbass answer like "Well, we would have won with them". Their releases were as much a part of why we went as anything.

I swear, every time we lose a player all the resident idiots come out to b--ch, moan and scream doom and gloom. Yet if we're successful (again) you'll all be nowhere to be seen.

Yeesh.

You missed the point. I was all in favor of letting Williams and Smith go! My only point is that we shouldn't act like great Panthers can only play well here. Some go on to have success elsewhere and some don't. It has NOTHING to do with our "system". Geez.

[Sam Mills Fan]

2 hours ago, NJPanthers12 said:

There is one person on this board just making a complete fool of themselves. If anyone watches the panthers and thinks Josh Norman is more important to this team than Star, then that person could not possibly be more lost.

Why is it that Google isn't finding a single result of anyone mentioning that ever except for this very site this very week after this all went down then? Star was a B to B+ level player last year, Josh was an A+ that singlehandedly won us at least 2 games. If you want to argue Star is more important long-term, fine, but that wasn't what I was responding to. The assertion that Star was more important than Josh to our success in 2015 is objectively false.

[Carolina Cajun]

Love josh, but he's a system guy and in the right system he can do well, in the wrong he will get abused.  If the skins never ask him to be a man corner, he'll be fine, but there's a reason a lot of pro bowl elite Corners hit free agency and get abused on their new team.  Hell, Revis was square pegged in Tampa, so we shall see.

[Peppers90 NC]

I think the fact he hadn't signed the tender was an indication to DG that Norman wasn't all-in for the team which was enough for him to cut ties. I can see an argument for both sides. But I'm a panthers fan before any single player and this is another long term move.

[MountainHeel66]

7 hours ago, CRA said:

Don't really know.  Josh's camp may or may not have been unreasonable.  But Norman's camp appears to be right about what the market was for him.  

Maybe Dave was the one unwilling to negotiate.  Maybe the only deal he would offer was well below Norman's market rate and refused to discuss much else....

I still think people are head over heels and in the honeymoon phase with Dave.  There was a time when Marty Hurney was a rockstar too

 

The problem I have with that line of thought is that we tagged him with full intention of paying him the 14 million for this season if necessary. I don't think Dave really thought he would get a massive discount and its been said numerous times here and elsewhere that we were fully prepared to pay him and let him go at the END of the year just like we would have/did with Hardy. All of the evidence and chatter after this news came out was of his agent not representing him the way he wanted and that jives with him demoting the guy IMMEDIATELY and hiring a new agent. G-Man may be a tough negotiator but the about face here came from Josh's team making threats and thinking they could hold us hostage like we were an NBA team. 

 

We'd have never touched 5 years or 75mil but you're insane if you think Norman will see the 3rd year of that contract with the Skins. They'll bail around year 2-3 once the front half of the contract is played out, they think he is prime for a break down and before they get sucked into paying the last chunk of his guaranteed money. Josh will come out of this rich but would have been much better off playing his career at a slightly lower but more reasonable rate here and playing for the full length of a contract rather than bouncing from franchise to franchise on disingenuous or short contracts. This is what comes of chasing money, he will have little to no legacy unless he plays like a god for the next 4-5 years.

[Snake]

15 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

DeAngelo played at an All-Pro level last year and Smith was an MVP candidate through much of 2014. Point is that Panthers players can and have left us and succeeded elsewhere, it's not just the magical "system".

Dwill was not even a starter and didn't even play every game... Smiths production also dropped at the end of the because of his age.  He is now coming off of a serious injury. Money well spent but let's just over look the facts. 

[emhoward]

I think Josh is more than a system guy. I think he can only be elite in our system, but he can be very other in others. His ball skills alone suggest that.