Josh's response to the AP

[KillerKat]

He has to realize he can't have his cake and eat it too. If he wants to stay here, he has to lower his asking price. If he doesn't, he'll have to go somewhere else. 

[Goondal]

15 minutes ago, dpanther69 said:

I think he going to Seattle.

If I were him, that would be my first choice.

[KillerKat]

18 minutes ago, dpanther69 said:

I think he going to Seattle.

Not after they just signed Browner back.

[Datawire]

20 minutes ago, mjligon said:

The ball is in Josh's court.

The ball has been in his court the entire time, until today. He could have signed on with the Panthers before and during any period of the negotiations. The ball is no longer in his court according to this franchise. A precedent was just set.

When was the last time you heard of a team rescinding a franchise offer? I can't remember. That's a very significant move, wouldn't you agree?

[KendrickPanther]

Anyone holding out hope of Josh coming back is delusional. Someone will pay him and he will have too much pride to take less to stay. Things obviously got so nasty the Panthers didn't even want him under the tag for a year.

[bobcat91]

We were offering 12 million a year. I have no sympathy for him. Loved as a Panther but in one year he would make more money than any of us in a lifetime. In 4 years he would be able to retire at 33, have millions in the bank, probably won a SB and be set for life. No he wanted to play hardball. If you want QB money then be a QB. See ya

[JawnyBlaze]

Just now, KendrickPanther said:

Anyone holding out hope of Josh coming back is delusional. Someone will pay him and he will have too much pride to take less to stay. Things obviously got so nasty the Panthers didn't even want him under the tag for a year.

I don't understand why people are assuming things got nasty.  There was nothing made public of any untoward actions by either party.  Does it not make entirely more sense that he's doing the same thing he did with CJ?  I mean the pattern has already been shown to us just a few weeks ago.  Gettleman takes a risk by letting player go.  Player tests the market, then either decides to come back at a rate Gettleman can live with or doesn't.  Doesn't have to be anything nasty about it at all.

[Byrdman4real]

I was a big supporter of Josh, but he have done what many other players have done, he forgot where he came from. Yes, he deserves more money, but not the type of money he is seeking. What I don't understand is his so called agent. His main goal is to make his client more profitable and known to generate more revenue. One way of doing this is to be on a winning team to generate a profitable market, which increases endorsements. Josh is on a high pedestal right now, but his agent isn't helping his market value by making his Client seem like a problem, and could cause him to be signed by a less attractive team, which could make Josh popularity diminish. 

[JawnyBlaze]

And for the record, I'm not holding out hope he comes back.  I'm 95% sure he doesn't.  Some other team will almost certainly give him much more money than we can afford.  But it's not due to ill will or anything like that.  We just can't afford what some other teams can.

[The_Rainmaker]

There is a good chance Norman comes back with both side giving in a little bit. The flip flop comments by Huddlers would be amazing .

[bobcat91]

We play for SB and other throw money at guys because they draft poorly.

[KendrickPanther]

Just now, JawnyBlaze said:

I don't understand why people are assuming things got nasty.  There was nothing made public of any untoward actions by either party.  Does it not make entirely more sense that he's doing the same thing he did with CJ?  I mean the pattern has already been shown to us just a few weeks ago.  Gettleman takes a risk by letting player go.  Player tests the market, then either decides to come back at a rate Gettleman can live with or doesn't.  Doesn't have to be anything nasty about it at all.

CJ is not comparable at all. Josh is coming off an All Pro season. His value on the open market will never be higher than it is right now. CJ is just looking to hold on for a few more seasons and chose familiarity over a few extra bucks. We could have kept him under the tag. We let him walk because threats were being made about missing camp and not going full speed. This is bigger than just bargaining tactics. You don't put all pros on the open market to lower their value.

[JawnyBlaze]

Just now, KendrickPanther said:

CJ is not comparable at all. Josh is coming off an All Pro season. His value on the open market will never be higher than it is right now. CJ is just looking to hold on for a few more seasons and chose familiarity over a few extra bucks. We could have kept him under the tag. We let him walk because threats were being made about missing camp and not going full speed. This is bigger than just bargaining tactics. You don't put all pros on the open market to lower their value.

What the did the season prior has no bearing on it.  If anything, that's why Josh got the franchise tag in the first place and CJ didn't.  There were no threats (just questions answered.  He did just go and work out with Cam, after all.  He wasn't threatening anything) and he certainly never said he wasn't gonna go full speed.  That's not even remotely within his character.  This also wasn't about lowering his value on Gettleman's part.  This was either A) just to put a legit number on his value since the negotiations had stalemated because the two sides differed in opinion on his value, or B) Gettleman really saw the negotiations as a lost cause and no sense in tying up $14mil of the cap if there's no chance of a long term deal.

[ClawOn]

Janoris Jenkins. Ugh. Got $28.8MM guaranteed from a desperate GM on a 1 year leash coming off a 6-10 season. How soon we forget the bloated,  crippling Hurney contracts.