Panthers rescind Norman's franchise tag...

[Ricky Spanish]

55 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

This has the potential to go down as one of the worst moves in franchise history. Getting him an extra year on the franchise tag and then letting him sign his big contract elsewhere seemed perfect based on his age. I just don't see the upside to this.

I think that is a bit reactionary and hyperbolic. There have been PLENTY of moves worse than this. Tagging Peppers and getting nothing. Jake Delhomme's Contract after his post season implosion. Sean Gilbert all time #1 no argument.

There are both Pros and Cons to this situation. Obviously the pros of rescinding the tag outweighed the cons or else gettleman wouldn't have done it. 

I know a lot of people call Gettlemen a hot head, some call him a savant. I call him a pragmatist that weighs his options out and makes the best decision possible with the least amount of damage to the team moving forward. Gettleman hasn't hit a home run in every one of his moves. He hasn't even hit singles. But the moves that have resulted in outs seem to either be sacrifice flies or bunts. They have advanced the team forward at the sacrifice of immediate impact. 

By letting Norman go now, we have the chance to throw enough money at Short that pays him top dollar without resetting the market at DT. We could also have enough money to lock up Starr as well. Those two are far more important to the success of the franchise going forward than a Corner. Corner is a sexier more glamorous position than DT so people are going to overvalue those players in our scheme. But the way we are built is from the trenches out on defense. A stud D-Lineman has the potential to disrupt every single play, whether it be a run or pass. A corner has the ability to disrupt plays to his side of the field, only on passing plays and sweeps to his side.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Norman deserves to get paid, just not by us. 

[motocross_cat]

^^ nailed it^^

Now we can keep this front together while adding peices.  Not all is lost.  Like everyone has said, let our scouts do work.

[TheSpecialJuan]

4 hours ago, KB_fan said:

I was offline for 4 or 5 hours last night when the news broke, and it was very late in my time zone when I caught the news, so I didn't try to comment, just tried to figure out what happened.  I've now skimmed through all 40 pages of this thread, and some of the others, as well as the news articles, trying to process this...

This caught me off guard for sure.  I can see both sides to the comments.   At this point, until / unless other facts emerge, I still respect both Gettleman & Josh.  I will miss him greatly, but think our system probably means we'll be ok without him.  Hoping there's still that 5% chance he could listen to other offers now that he's released from the tag and decide as someone else posted that "there's no place like home." 

This makes Boykin's signing really huge.  Phew.  So glad we got that done!   This also increases the likelihood of a Tillman or Finnegan return, which I already "prophesied" some weeks ago.

Gettleman is well on the way to getting a serious reputation as a "CHEAP B***tard."  DANG but he plays hardball.  But heck, he's OUR CHEAP B***tard and that excites me because it is this kind of ruthless financial management and very careful player evaluation and methodical risk evaluation that I think are essential to a contender becoming a dynasty.

Hope this somehow ends well for both sides.  It certainly makes things more interesting in Pantherland right now.  This offseason has not been too boring.

Indeed. if you want to be good, long term, you have to be ruthless and make though decisions like this. Just look at the Patriots.

[MadHatter]

14 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Locker room thing is starting to get overblown here lately, we got beat by a team with a qb controversy and guys like aqib and Harris leading the way 

It would have worked out for us if he ACTUALLY would have been willing to sign the tag.  Given that he wouldn't, we did not have many options.

 

[TheSpecialJuan]

3 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Somehow, we'll survive. 

[Mr. Scot]

16 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

What if Panthers only offered 9 million a season max. Josh is clearly worth at least 12.5-14 a season long term. You always start high and work down in negotiations.

The fact is without knowing what the Panthers offered, you can't legitly blame Josh. Hypothetically what if they offered the 4 year 7m per deal from last offseason again. 

Thats not negotiating in good faith at all. Clearly I'm not saying this happened just what if.

The Panthers were willing to go as high as 11-12, per Voth.

Many analysts have pointed out that Norman wasn't used like a true 'shutdown corner' because in our system he played zone and basically always stayed outside rather than following the opponent's best receiver in man coverage.

He wanted to be paid like a shutdown guy, but it can't really be proven that he was one. and he's 28 years old.

The team will now concentrate on pass rush as it did before because that's what Rivera and Gettleman believe in.

[Mr. Scot]

15 hours ago, SIGCHI222 said:

Idiot much?

Fixed.

[WUnderhill]

1 hour ago, Cracka McNasty said:

I think that is a bit reactionary and hyperbolic. There have been PLENTY of moves worse than this. Tagging Peppers and getting nothing. Jake Delhomme's Contract after his post season implosion. Sean Gilbert all time #1 no argument.

There are both Pros and Cons to this situation. Obviously the pros of rescinding the tag outweighed the cons or else gettleman wouldn't have done it. 

I know a lot of people call Gettlemen a hot head, some call him a savant. I call him a pragmatist that weighs his options out and makes the best decision possible with the least amount of damage to the team moving forward. Gettleman hasn't hit a home run in every one of his moves. He hasn't even hit singles. But the moves that have resulted in outs seem to either be sacrifice flies or bunts. They have advanced the team forward at the sacrifice of immediate impact. 

By letting Norman go now, we have the chance to throw enough money at Short that pays him top dollar without resetting the market at DT. We could also have enough money to lock up Starr as well. Those two are far more important to the success of the franchise going forward than a Corner. Corner is a sexier more glamorous position than DT so people are going to overvalue those players in our scheme. But the way we are built is from the trenches out on defense. A stud D-Lineman has the potential to disrupt every single play, whether it be a run or pass. A corner has the ability to disrupt plays to his side of the field, only on passing plays and sweeps to his side.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Norman deserves to get paid, just not by us. 

I'm not talking about signing him long term, I was fine with him leaving after this year for the reasons you mentioned. He wouldn't have been taking up any cap room next year if we let him play out the tag, and I doubt anybody seriously believes he wasn't going to play for us this year had we not rescinded.

If Gman needed the extra cap carry-over next year so bad, why franchise Norman in the first place? This single move could cost us another Super Bowl run for what, a third round comp in 2017 instead of 2018? Just seems like some weak reasoning to let such a key piece go.

[SportsCrazie4172]

[Ricky Spanish]

9 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

I'm not talking about signing him long term, I was fine with him leaving after this year for the reasons you mentioned. He wouldn't have been taking up any cap room next year if we let him play out the tag, and I doubt anybody seriously believes he wasn't going to play for us this year had we not rescinded.

If Gman needed the extra cap carry-over next year so bad, why franchise Norman in the first place? This single move could cost us another Super Bowl run for what, a third round comp in 2017 instead of 2018? Just seems like some weak reasoning to let such a key piece go.

I honestly think it could be a couple things. Could be he is just calling the agent's bluff. Could be that he is close to a deal with KK without resetting the market for DTs and releasing Norman gets us the little bit more that we need in order to get the deal done, with money left over to extend Star as well. We won't really know until this stuff plays out. 

 

This single move will NOT cost us a super bowl run. That's hyperbolic and what people said about not making a move when KB went down. It's not the end all to be all for our team. As good as Norman was, he is not the best player on our team, or even our defense. Our defense is at it's best when the d-line is at their best, not the secondary. We can get by with a weak secondary better than a weak D-Line. People forget that our defense in 2013 was far better than in 2015. The D-Line was more stout and disruptive. If not allocating the money to the secondary and investing in the D-Line makes us better long term and overall, I'm all for it.

 

Then again I could be completely wrong, but I'm not going to jump to any conclusions until this plays out a bit more. 

 

[bLACKpANTHER]

14 minutes ago, SportsCrazie4172 said:

[Captain Obvious]

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 hour ago, MadHatter said:

It would have worked out for us if he ACTUALLY would have been willing to sign the tag.  Given that he wouldn't, we did not have many options.

 

Why rescind the tag? Either he plays for us or sit, which he stated he wouldn't do I believe, big portion of FA is over with and even then I doubt we'd do any big spending. Unless we pull a 2009 Seahawks this will be a set back 

[Nick_81]

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Why rescind the tag? Either he plays for us or sit, which he stated he wouldn't do I believe, big portion of FA is over with and even then I doubt we'd do any big spending. Unless we pull a 2009 Seahawks this will be a set back 

He says why here.

http://www.panthers.com/media-vault/videos/Gettleman-This-is-a-business-decision/979ce92f-60df-4730-a4a3-5f2a0e20ecde