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Panthers rescind Norman's franchise tag...

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MHS831 Grand Master

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How many times will Gettlemen make some of you look like a chump before you stop doubting him?  There are a lot of factors at play here---the locker room, the showdown (Think KK's and Star's agents weren't watching?), etc.  But Norman wanted a 5-year deal between $60-80m.  AT 29.

Why no sign and trade?  Nobody wanted to pay his demands--the cut was the best possible scenario.  Besides, we should get a 3rd or 4th round comp pick this way---I think.

Norman was leaking stuff to the press--negotiating on social media.  He was defiant and unrealistic.  Gettlemen is not going to let any player hold him hostage.  Winning programs have GMs who can make the tough call.  We have the best GM in the league---and I mean it.

This move causes us to lose a key player, but it also gives us $14m--we now have $23m--after we sign rookies and if we put $3m or so in a rainy day fund---that buys 3-4 quality players.  KK and Star deals are probably going to eat up a lot, but there will be enough left over to grab a key player or two.

 

 

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Risky move by Getts.  I get why he's doing it though.  And honestly our defense is, and has been for a while, based around pressure with our front seven.  That philosophy has been ingrained in this organization since the start and this is just further proof.  

And tbh I don't think Josh is worth what he's asking.  Somebody might pay it but I'm kind of glad it won't be us. 

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7 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

How many times will Gettlemen make some of you look like a chump before you stop doubting him?  There are a lot of factors at play here---the locker room, the showdown (Think KK's and Star's agents weren't watching?), etc.  But Norman wanted a 5-year deal between $60-80m.  AT 29.

Why no sign and trade?  Nobody wanted to pay his demands--the cut was the best possible scenario.  Besides, we should get a 3rd or 4th round comp pick this way---I think.

Norman was leaking stuff to the press--negotiating on social media.  He was defiant and unrealistic.  Gettlemen is not going to let any player hold him hostage.  Winning programs have GMs who can make the tough call.  We have the best GM in the league---and I mean it.

This move causes us to lose a key player, but it also gives us $14m--we now have $23m--after we sign rookies and if we put $3m or so in a rainy day fund---that buys 3-4 quality players.  KK and Star deals are probably going to eat up a lot, but there will be enough left over to grab a key player or two.

 

 

This part I disagree with when you think of the 2014 draft class coming up.  Would love to have KB, Trai and Kony if he performs to his potential. 

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In 2005, Gettleman was part of a Giants front office that made a bold move similar to the one he made with Norman. The Giants, who badly needed a wide receiver, publicly announced they'd rescinded their offer to Plaxico Burress. Gettleman was the head of player personnel at the time, so while GM Ernie Accorsi and assistant GM Kevin Abrams did the negotiating, Gettleman's evaluation of Burress helped the team deteremine his worth. Burress switched agents and struck a deal with the Giants. Three seasons into his tenure with the team, he had a monster game in the NFC Championship and caught the Super Bowl-winning touchdown.

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I've come to trust GMan after being pissed off at him for two years following Smitty...  but, this prideful way of doing business isn't cool.  I get that you have to maintain leverage, but this isn't doing that, it's giving it all up to prove a point and leaving us in a horrible position at CB.  

Again, I respect his knowledge and eye for talent, but to me, this is dumb as poo.

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3 minutes ago, chknwing said:

In 2005, Gettleman was part of a Giants front office that made a bold move similar to the one he made with Norman. The Giants, who badly needed a wide receiver, publicly announced they'd rescinded their offer to Plaxico Burress. Gettleman was the head of player personnel at the time, so while GM Ernie Accorsi and assistant GM Kevin Abrams did the negotiating, Gettleman's evaluation of Burress helped the team deteremine his worth. Burress switched agents and struck a deal with the Giants. Three seasons into his tenure with the team, he had a monster game in the NFC Championship and caught the Super Bowl-winning touchdown.

Nice little nugget of history.

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Cockiness will work with your  Employer to a point in foosball.. but when you play good for one good year?? U want max?...So Lesson learn..Don't bite the hand that feeds you until u play better than more than one year,, Hurney has Left the bulding!! Your service was appreciated but arrogance only gets you so far! Hoping he doesn't get what he demands and he comes crawling back..but so loser team the Jags will pay for him

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Just now, chknwing said:

heres an odd ball thought, by releasing Josh right before the draft whats the potential gman may force a run on corners before carolina picks? dropping one or several of the players they want to draft down to them?

hah, that's some serious strategery if that were the case.  If there's truly no hope for Josh coming back, William Jackson just shot near the top of my wish list for round 1....

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Well, things certainly got interesting quickly.

Am I surprised? A little. I didn't see Josh staying after next season anyways but this came sooner than expected. To wonder whether Josh's loose cannon attitude contributed to Gettleman's decision is speculation although it wouldn't be a stretch to say it made the decision a little easier.

Do I agree with it? Only to an extent. I'm quite disappointed that it's a situation where we lose a key contributor and the most we'll get in return is a compensatory pick, if that. In retrospect, not signing him before last season is looking like a mistake. On the flip side, now we can get some other guys signed up long-term. Additionally, doing this now allows the team to better adjust to life without Norman. We survived without Kelvin Benjamin and made it to the SB despite losing him much closer to season start. Personally, I feel the better route is to improve the pass rush in order to lessen the pressure on the secondary. In other words, become closer to the 2003 Panthers defense. 

Whether he'd actually come back and sign anyways, I'm not holding my breath. There's a team that will pay him what he wants. There's always that one team. I'm no cap expert but I believe the only NFC South team that could feasibly nab him is Tampa. Otherwise, the list of those that can sign him is a bit short.

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33 minutes ago, Match.com said:

I saw this coming last month....

No you didn't. People saying they saw this coming are either talking out of their asses or have no idea how franchising players works.

Last year JPP blew his hand off and the giants STILL DIDN'T rescind their franchise tag. 

This kind of crap just doesn't happen. 

Now a year from now, yeah, I was in full blown "get the best out of Norman's last year" mode, and I thought we wouldn't re-sign him again next year, but never in my wildest dreams did I think getts would just say "eff it" and tell Norman to kick rocks a week before the draft. 

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