Are people trolling with this Derrick Henry stuff?

[ctrcat]

11 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Except it isn't the same breath.

Bo and Herschel played in an age in college where the offense was centered around the RUNNING game.  In other words, the defense was cognizant that the greatest threat on the field was the running back.  And they were built to stop the running game over and above all else.  And yet Bo (and Herschel) DOMINATED those defenses designed to stop them still.

Henry?  He plays in an age where rules are structured to benefit the passing game.  Ergo, defenses can't just stack the line and ignore the QB.  Which is what they did ages ago (except against the very special and very rare QB).  Just as a comparison, the most passes that a QB threw in a season while Bo was in college was 171.  That averages to between 15 and 16 passes per game.

So please don't even try to convince me about how a running back with a lesser yards per carry average than Bo Jackson is in "the same breath" as him.  Again, feel free to believe that if you wish.  But your own self-delusion isn't my problem.

If we don't take him I hope you're right.

[top dawg]

Basically, I don't give a poo who Gettleman picks in the first round, and I will be very comfortable if/when he trades up in the second. I will even be happy if he trades down. I guess what I'm saying is that I trust him at identifying and evaluating talent that will fit with what he has helped to build here. 

As for Henry, I think that he G-man likes what he sees, otherwise he never would have brought him in for a visit. 

All of the people trying to make generalizations and comparisons in regards to Henry are off the mark. There is no real comparison, and history of this back and that back, or this type of back, is not Gettleman's modus operandi. I figure that Getty isn't trying to force comparisons, he is trying to determine whether or not Henry fits within the puzzle that he is putting together (a puzzle that he has shown he is putting together quite effectively) and assign Henry a certain value based upon his conclusion.

As for other positions, I am sure Getty would love an OT, DE, SS or CB worth a first round grade to be there, but he doesn't know how the pieces are going to fall. One thing that he is not going to do is draft a player on day one based upon need, Getty is going to draft the BPA irrespective of position. And that's what he should do. If Henry is it, "Don't Worry, Be Happy!" 

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, ctrcat said:

If we don't take him I hope you're right.

Indeed.

And if we do take him, I hope you're right.

[jasonluckydog]

I'm still pissed we drafted a lb in the 1st round!! Makes no sense we have Beaston!!

[davos]

The issue of giving a first round contract to a RB given their modern shelf-life and recent duds appears to be a concern I think that weighs more heavily than the talent presented. 

Before last year, we had 2 drafts in a row where every team avoided taking one in the 1st but then swarmed over them in the 2nd.  The thing is, if a team is convinced the guy can go, start if need be and produce for 4-5 years, I don't see why going in the first should be an issue. 

Looking at last year, this is what Gurley brought to the table.  It's what the Chargers and many thought Gordon would be but hasn't shown yet.  It's now the appeared perception about Elliot and the big question about Henry.  

I just find him crazy fascinating.  6'3 247 4.5ish, crazy quickness, good stiff arm, breaks tackles, gets plus yards...the issue looks to be using a 1st and the workload from college.  He is only 21 however.  I just don't know, he sure does stir up quite the controversy around these parts haha.    

 

[TheRed]

2 minutes ago, davos said:

The issue of giving a first round contract to a RB given their modern shelf-life and recent duds appears to be a concern I think that weighs more heavily than the talent presented. 

Before last year, we had 2 drafts in a row where every team avoided taking one in the 1st but then swarmed over them in the 2nd.  The thing is, if a team is convinced the guy can go, start if need be and produce for 4-5 years, I don't see why going in the first should be an issue. 

Looking at last year, this is what Gurley brought to the table.  It's what the Chargers and many thought Gordon would be but hasn't shown yet.  It's now the appeared perception about Elliot and the big question about Henry.  

I just find him crazy fascinating.  6'3 247 4.5ish, crazy quickness, good stiff arm, breaks tackles, gets plus yards...the issue looks to be using a 1st and the workload from college.  He is only 21 however.  I just don't know, he sure does stir up quite the controversy around these parts haha.    

 

Are you speaking in terms of contract cost?

Gurley was taken 10th overall, and his contract is less than $14 million, and his cap hit doesn't even exceed $4 million until the final year of his contract. Teams have been weary of first round RB's lately yes, but not because of contract cost, it's guys like Trent Richardson that have done that. The rookie wage scale has made contracts rather minimal in terms of concern.

Regardless, I get the uneasiness regarding the idea of a first round RB. But I'll trust Gettleman if he decides to go that route.

[davos]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

Are you speaking in terms of contract cost?

Gurley was taken 10th overall, and his contract is less than $14 million, and his cap hit doesn't even exceed $4 million until the final year of his contract. Teams have been weary of first round RB's lately yes, but not because of contract cost, it's guys like Trent Richardson that have done that. The rookie wage scale has made contracts rather minimal in terms of concern.

Regardless, I get the uneasiness regarding the idea of a first round RB. But I'll trust Gettleman if he decides to go that route.

I'm speaking in terms of the 5th-year-option.  Teams like having that for many reasons, including in case they need to wait a year to hand over a massive contract if said draft pick blows up and requires a lot of cash.  Unless a RB is a star, that doesn't happen much these days.  Outside of Lynch and Peterson, most of the top RBs float in that 5-7 mil range. The thing is, we've got quite the wiz at GM it seems so maybe the way he's working, the option becomes less crucial to think of. 

[Malt Liquor]

I think he is worthy of the Panthers first pick. He is a x factor type RB because of his size alone. Like Gentleman said big men allow you to compete....You can't teach size

[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, davos said:

I'm speaking in terms of the 5th-year-option.  Teams like having that for many reasons, including in case they need to wait a year to hand over a massive contract if said draft pick blows up and requires a lot of cash.  Unless a RB is a star, that doesn't happen much these days.  Outside of Lynch and Peterson, most of the top RBs float in that 5-7 mil range. The thing is, we've got quite the wiz at GM it seems so maybe the way he's working, the option becomes less crucial to think of. 

Gotcha. Well I think considering the average shelf life of running backs these days, 4 years as a focal point in an offense like ours the way we like to run the ball, and the way Gettleman operates in terms of contract value versus on the field contribution, that would be ideal with all factors considered. Obviously he's not going to throw the kitchen sink at a running back, nor should he.

Based on how quickly Dave moved up to grab a guy like Funchess last year, I have no doubt that if he feels Henry is the pick, he will select him.

[Zaximus]

I wouldn't mind.  When people say "in the first", I don't think it really applies here, I mean we're at the 30th pick.   If we had like a 15 or higher, I would agree, even 20 or higher.  But at 30, it's a good spot to take a pick on a RB like this.

[beastson]

April is moving slow. The draft needs to hurry the hell up

[Bartin]

2 minutes ago, beastson said:

April is moving slow. The draft needs to hurry the hell up

I really don't like that they moved it back two weeks a few years ago.

[beastson]

Btw I think a lot of people should stop writing Henry off to be a bust. He's way too physically gifted for that. I'm not sure if he'll fit the read option, but a power offense with just decent run blockers and its going to be a nightmare. At-least Alabama run some zone schemes like us. I think Daryl Williams can really help the run game more than Remmers. At 30, I couldn't be mad at the pick. This season could possibly be Stew last in Carolina cause of that contract and he'll be 30 next year, which is deemed as the declining age. So who knows what Gettle is thinking

[OriginalPantherDan]

Most seem down on Henry, but I'll be the contrarian. I think he'd be awesome in Carolina. He's the name I want to hear called at 30.