Are people trolling with this Derrick Henry stuff?

[top dawg]

4 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

I've only been occasionally glancing through the Huddle this offseason and I keep seeing people seemingly seriously suggest Derrick Henry to the Panthers. He would be a terrible pick. Not because he's a running back, but because he's the wrong running back for this team. I'm part of #NeverTrump on Twitter and I'm now coining #NeverHenry for the Panthers.

Most people against Derrick Henry are only against him in the first round. Why you'd think that he doesn't fit the Panthers is a mystery beyond mysteries. A power back for a power scheme. That's a match made in heaven.

[tiger7_88]

4 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

He might be the pick, and if he is I am pretty sure the nay sayers should swallow their pride and realize Gettleman has forgotten more about scouting than they could ever hope to know.

I definitely would.

Anyone who pulled *against* a Panthers player because they didn't agree with the pick (or because they didn't like their college) would be a stupid jerk.

That being said, I truly believe Derrick Henry in this offense *could* be good, but never a "difference maker". Just my opinion.

[uscgamecocks]

37 minutes ago, ctrcat said:

SPARQ seems like such a nerdy Seahawk thing.  The Godfather is looking for football players.  There has been value in the late first at safety in recent years however and I do like Cravens as well.

I think it is ideal to mix athletic testing and analysis with traditional scouting/feel.  The better the athlete, the greater that player's margin for error.  There have been plenty of athletes who have no feel for the game and constantly run themselves out of position.  There have also been plenty of athletes who are very successful due to their preparation, anticipation, and understanding of the game.  When you combine them both, you get Luke Kuechly.

Cravens tested like a below average athlete - but he seems to have plenty of the anticipation/feel that can make up for any lack of athleticism.  If we didn't have Shaq I think he would be a great fit.  I wonder if he can play S in the NFL or if he is just going to be a better fit near the LOS.  Smarter people than me will figure that one out.

[csx]

While some backs might already fit a scheme better than others because of what they did in college it is not as if they are molded of concrete and can't learn new schemes. Stewart did quite well coming from a spread offense in Oregon to Carolina. 

[tiger7_88]

4 hours ago, ctrcat said:

No but I say take the guy at 30 that had more yards in a season than Bo, 

Please to compare Bo Jackon's yards per carry and carries per TD to Henry's.

If "volume" is all you give a poo about, just say so.

Otherwise, stop being a dumbass.

[ctrcat]

2 minutes ago, uscgamecocks said:

I think it is ideal to mix athletic testing and analysis with traditional scouting/feel.  The better the athlete, the greater that player's margin for error.  There have been plenty of athletes who have no feel for the game and constantly run themselves out of position.  There have also been plenty of athletes who are very successful due to their preparation, anticipation, and understanding of the game.  When you combine them both, you get Luke Kuechly.

Cravens tested like a below average athlete - but he seems to have plenty of the anticipation/feel that can make up for any lack of athleticism.  If we didn't have Shaq I think he would be a great fit.  I wonder if he can play S in the NFL or if he is just going to be a better fit near the LOS.  Smarter people than me will figure that one out.

in this highlight alone there are numerous instinctive breaks on the ball, and, fwiw, he had 9 career ints in 3 years to Shaq's 5.  Not sure how you chose between he and Henry.

 

 

[tiger7_88]

3 hours ago, uscgamecocks said:

Drafting Henry would likely be a sign that the offense is going to slowly move away from zone-read concepts with Cam and more towards a traditional power running game.  That might keep Cam healthier by limiting the hits he takes.  And Henry probably takes over the role from Cam of closing games by picking up the last three first downs on the ground.

And how stupid would that be?

"Hey, we have the most unique dual-threat player in the history of the league! Let's force him into the Peyton Manning mold!"

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

And how stupid would that be?

"Hey, we have the most unique dual-threat player in the history of the league! Let's force him into the Peyton Manning mold!"

We do a lot of things with Cam because we have to. I am positive that if they could limit Cam's hits (which quite naturally leads to a greater probability for injury), they would do so. I don't see that as stupid, I see it as prudent.

[Bartin]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

We do a lot of things with Cam because we have to. I am positive that if they could limit Cam's hits (which quite naturally leads to a greater probability for injury), they would do so. I don't see that as stupid, I see it as prudent.

Yeah, it's great that he can take and deliver a pounding right now while he's young but at some point we need to dial that back especially since he is showing he can be elite from the pocket.

[ctrcat]

21 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Please to compare Bo Jackon's yards per carry and carries per TD to Henry's.

If "volume" is all you give a poo about, just say so.

Otherwise, stop being a dumbass.

For single season, Bo had a 6.2 YPC and Henry had 6.1 YPC.https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/numbers-dont-lie-alabama-rb-derrick-henrys-2015-season-better-than-herschel-walkers-bo-jacksons-best  Not too shabby.  Bo was rightfully the #1 overall pick and greatest athlete ever.  To even be in his breath is an accomplishment.  To get him at 30 would be great.  

[tiger7_88]

17 minutes ago, ctrcat said:

For single season, Bo had a 6.2 YPC and Henry had 6.1 YPC.https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/numbers-dont-lie-alabama-rb-derrick-henrys-2015-season-better-than-herschel-walkers-bo-jacksons-best  Not too shabby.  Bo was rightfully the #1 overall pick and greatest athlete ever.  To even be in his breath is an accomplishment.  To get him at 30 would be great.  

Wrong.

Bo had a career 6.6 yards per carry in college.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/bo-jackson-1.html

Henry had a career 6.0 yards per carry.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/derrick-henry-2.html

Additionally, in their senior Heisman Trophy seasons, Bo had 6.4 yards per carry, Henry had 5.6.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

3 hours ago, pantherphan96 said:

bust in the making just watch

not a bust.

even with holes the size of the side of a barn to run thru, he displays good vision and enough shiftiness to be successful.

he is a good back, just not the drool all over next great thing some make him out to be.

[ctrcat]

7 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Wrong.

Bo had a career 6.6 yards per carry in college.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/bo-jackson-1.html

Henry had a career 6.0 yards per carry.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/derrick-henry-2.html

Additionally, in their senior Heisman Trophy seasons, Bo had 6.4 yards per carry, Henry had 5.6.

I won't argue with the stats because I don't know, but I was referencing the article I linked directly.  Also, one of your concerns has been Henry's workload, yet I assume Bo had far more career carries in college?

[Ruff]

I think Elliot is the better running back, but will be long gone by 30.