I can't see a Gettleman round 1 WR this year.

[chknwing]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

The O-line wasn't that bad last year if you look at the stats. Cam mostly had time, but it certainly ran out in the Super Bowl.

Not saying that there aren't any, but I don't know of any trench guys that we could draft at the end of the first round that could make an immediate impact this season. Any OT or guard that will likely be available when we pick will likely have to sit behind what we already have.

 

thats why I think carolina should move up in the first round. and snag stanley or conklin.

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

We have Benjamin coming back and Funchess is no longer a rookie.

Both those factors mean a lot more than some are giving credit for.

I think you're right, but it's also possible that some are giving this too much credit. Questions abound for both.

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

I think you're right, but it's also possible that some are giving this too much credit. Questions abound for both.

Bigger questions than for a rookie who's never played in the NFL, though?

All draft picks have loads of question marks, even first rounders.

[Woodie]

24 minutes ago, top dawg said:

The O-line wasn't that bad last year if you look at the stats. Cam mostly had time, but it certainly ran out in the Super Bowl.

 

Yep.  But I think if we had made some of those plays we left on the field in the SB that would have changed our approach and allowed us to run the ball more...putting Denver's pass rush on their heels a bit.  As it was, they were able to pin their ears back and come at us with everything they had.

[top dawg]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Bigger questions than for a rookie who's never played in the NFL, though?

All draft picks have loads of question marks, even first rounders.

I get what you're saying, I really do, but one question that I believe should be put at a premium to be answered by drafting a receiver this year---first, or otherwise---is the question of hands. 

KB and Funch still have that question of hands (and route running really). For me, drafting a sure-handed receiver that can consistently separate would make all of the other questions surrounding that rookie---Benji, Funchi and the others---that much more palatable.

[Woodie]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

I get what you're saying, I really do, but one question that I believe should be put at a premium to be answered by drafting a receiver this year---first, or otherwise is the question of hands. 

KB and Funch still have that question of hands (and route running really). For me, drafting a sure-handed receiver that can consistently separate would make all of the other questions surrounding that rookie---Benji, Funchi and the others---that much more palatable.

That would make Shepard the ideal pick if we go WR at 30.

[uscgamecocks]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Bigger questions than for a rookie who's never played in the NFL, though?

All draft picks have loads of question marks, even first rounders.

Agree with you that KB and Funchess will improve and that will help a lot.  Though I'd still argue that the team lacks a quick, sure handed, YAC receiver regardless of how much those guys improve.

I think adding that functionality to our offense will make everyone more efficient. So I'd love to see us invest in a slot WR that could be a difference maker - hopefully sooner, rather than later.  But smarter guys than me will make the decisions.  I'm encouraged by the types of WR we are working out ahead of the draft. I think Doctson and Treadwell will likely be good but I'm not interested in adding them, as I think they would just duplicate what we have in KB.

Shepard, Coleman, Cooper - I think those guys could add a new dimension to our offense.  

[top dawg]

6 minutes ago, Woodie said:

That would make Shepard the ideal pick if we go WR at 30.

Hey, I will be jumping for joy if Getty gives Shepard a first round grade. I just question whether or not Shepard would trump another first-round-grade at another position in the eyes of Getty. If I'm to believe reports---even some here---Getty has a few people on his wish list at 30, and Shepard is not one of them. Even most mocks have Shepard going on day two.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, uscgamecocks said:

Agree with you that KB and Funchess will improve and that will help a lot.  Though I'd still argue that the team lacks a quick, sure handed, YAC receiver regardless of how much those guys improve.

I think adding that functionality to our offense will make everyone more efficient. So I'd love to see us invest in a slot WR that could be a difference maker - hopefully sooner, rather than later.  But smarter guys than me will make the decisions.  I'm encouraged by the types of WR we are working out ahead of the draft. I think Doctson and Treadwell will likely be good but I'm not interested in adding them, as I think they would just duplicate what we have in KB.

Shepard, Coleman, Cooper - I think those guys could add a new dimension to our offense.  

My biggest question would be whether one of those guys will be the BPA at the end of round one.

Plenty of the guys we've been scouting are not first-round prospects. We could still get that kind of player later in the draft.

My guess is still that if one of the best pass rushers is available when we pick, that's who we'll take. To be clear though, that's a guess, not a hope.

If the BPA at 30 turns out to be a receiver, running back, linebacker or any other position, I won't be worried because our front office has earned our trust.

They know what they're doing.

[Woodie]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Hey, I will be jumping for joy if Getty gives Shepard a first round grade. I just question whether or not Shepard would trump another first-round-grade at another position in the eyes of Getty. If I'm to believe reports---even some here---Getty has a few people on his wish list at 30, and Shepard is not one of them. Even most mocks have Shepard going on day two.

It's hard to say how Gettleman has Shepard graded.  Most had Funchess as a 2nd-3rd round value, but Gettleman had him as 1st.  And Shepard has been moving up most boards lately.  While he used to always be around in the late 2nd, I'm now seeing him in the early 2nd, with an outside shot of going in the 1st.  I've been more on the Coleman train (if he happened to fall) since he is a bit more explosive, but Shepard's strength is route running and hands...something that would be a perfect fit at slot for us.  Honestly, if we do go WR at 30, I'd be tickled pick with either.

[chknwing]

I dunno, I will get creamed for this but if picking at the end of the first round will be the norm, maybe trading away a future first isn't so bad anymore?  I mean if carolina gave up a future first and this years first to move way up and take a top OT to protect Cam or en elite DE.  If that gets us over the hump to a super bowl championship I mean isnt that the goal? 

This years 2nd would get carolina to around 18th.  A shot at Conklin, Decker, or even Lawson.  A future 1st would get them up near 11th chance at maybe Stanley or Buckner.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, chknwing said:

I dunno, I will get creamed for this but if picking at the end of the first round will be the norm, maybe trading away a future first isn't so bad anymore?  I mean if carolina gave up a future first and this years first to move way up and take a top OT to protect Cam or en elite DE.  If that gets us over the hump to a super bowl championship I mean isnt that the goal? 

This years 2nd would get carolina to around 18th.  A shot at Conklin, Decker, or even Lawson.  A future 1st would get them up near 11th chance at maybe Stanley or Buckner.

Gettleman got an offer asking for a future first in one of his prior drafts. His response was "I'd have to be brain dead to do something like that."

So no, I don't see that kind of trade happening again.

[chknwing]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Gettleman got an offer asking for a future first in one of his prior drafts. His response was "I'd have to be brain dead to do something like that."

So no, I don't see that kind of trade happening OY by comitted

 

I just want a dam legit OT.  It's been what 8 years since carolina has drafted an OT in the first 2 rounds?  I am still pissed that Carolina did not pursue La El Collins. What a blown opportunity.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, chknwing said:

I just want a dam legit OT.  It's been what 8 years since carolina has drafted an OT in the first 2 rounds?  I am still pissed that Carolina did not pursue La El Collins. What a blown opportunity.

Don't get hung up on draft position. A pretty good number of the tackles that were drafted in the top two rounds over the last few years turned out not to be worth it.