I can't see a Gettleman round 1 WR this year.

[TheMaulClaw]

People might hate to hear this...I think DG goes LB in the first. I expect Noah Spence to be the pick if he drops. If he's not available we're going to pick up a corner.

[uscgamecocks]

32 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

People might hate to hear this...I think DG goes LB in the first. I expect Noah Spence to be the pick if he drops. If he's not available we're going to pick up a corner.

Where would we play Spence?

[TheMaulClaw]

17 minutes ago, uscgamecocks said:

Where would we play Spence?

DE mostly. Could see him as a linebacker in some situations. We need more pass rush. He'll be the best pass rusher on the board by the time we pick. 

[tiger7_88]

11 hours ago, top dawg said:

I'm a WR guy as many of you know. I believe it was @tiger7_88 that called me a WR extremist one time (LOL).

I saw this come up in my notifications and I was like WTF? lololol

But, yeah, previously you always seemed to me to be of the attitude that WR was a weakness (it was) and that we should shore up that weakness whatever the cost (there was no reason to).

I always disagreed with you for many reasons (1) our offense isn't built around a back-breaking passing game (2) our QB makes average WRs better and (3) we had weaknesses at more positions than WR.  So, no, I was never of the GIVE ME ALL THE WIDE RECEIVERS AND I WANT THEM NOW school.

Now, weirdly enough, if DG decides to pick a WR in the first round again, I won't have a problem with that.  :P

(But I don't think he will.)

[Bartin]

I'm on Team CoCo.

[uscgamecocks]

8 hours ago, TheMaulClaw said:

DE mostly. Could see him as a linebacker in some situations. We need more pass rush. He'll be the best pass rusher on the board by the time we pick. 

Yeah I agree - just thought it was weird you called him a LB since he'd definitely be a base DE for us once he added some weight.

Spence is incredibly talented.  Not sure he is on our board for off-field reasons, but he is undoubtedly a first round talent.

[KB_fan]

16 hours ago, Woodie said:

And while some still try to slot Shepard to our 2nd round pick, he's placed himself in the late 1, early 2 range. 

Yeah, he's not been falling to us nearly as often in the 2nd in most of the mocks I'm doing now.  I'll have my wide receiver availability analysis ready in a few days.  (His availability for us at pick #62 has dropped from about 45% or 50% to 30% in more recent mocks)

[Woodie]

1 hour ago, KB_fan said:

Yeah, he's not been falling to us nearly as often in the 2nd in most of the mocks I'm doing now.  I'll have my wide receiver availability analysis ready in a few days.  (His availability for us at pick #62 has dropped from about 45% or 50% to 30% in more recent mocks)

KB, your work compiling all this draft data is much appreciated.  You give us a perspective we've never had before.

[Woodie]

35 minutes ago, chris999 said:

Of course we wont draft a WR, that is the deepest unit on the team.

 

Ib the first round I think we will either pick up a DE, or a new LT, whichever player has the most talent at either poition.

 

 

Those are two of the most likely positions we prefer, but only if a guy they like is there.  Gettleman has shown that he will not take a player at a position most deem a need just because it's a need.  He has to be the right guy, otherwise, he'll go for who he sees as a BPA (usually also at another position of need).  So, don't expect a DE or OT in the first unless Gettleman has a 1st round grade on them and the guy also fits what we want from the position.  And I can almost guarantee you that he won't take a DE unless he's a solid pass rusher.  Gettleman believes pressure up front helps the backend make plays, so I don't think he'll take a DE he views as mostly a run defender...at least not in the first.

And I disagree with you on the receiver position.  Yes, we do have depth, but not the highest quality depth.  Ginn is in his last year of his contract (and will not be as cheap to re-sign as he was last year), and is limited to the outside speed role.  Brown is a very limited receiver who I feel the team views as no more than a #4  And we don't have a starting slot receiver right now.  So we do have a need.  Not pressing, but a speedy slot guy would really make this offense scary.  So, if the right guy is there and he's not in love with someone at DE or OT, don't be shocked if that the route Gettleman takes.  

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, chris999 said:

Of course we wont draft a WR, that is the deepest unit on the team.

 

Ib the first round I think we will either pick up a DE, or a new LT, whichever player has the most talent at either poition.

 

 

I am going to assume that you meant "of course we won't draft a WR [in the first round]“. Our corps is deep in theory, but quantity doesn't necessarily mean enough quality to move us forward. There are still many question marks, especially about route running and hands. This very same group, sans J-Co, left way too much meat on the bone last season, and let us down in a big way on the sport's largest stage. 

There is interest in upgrading the position and/or spurring comoetition. Just look at how many receivers the team has checked out.

[chknwing]

it doesn't matter how many wr this team has if Cam doesn't have the time to get them the ball. Games are won in the trenches.  Carolina needs oline help. fix that, give Cam more time to survey the defense and watch our existing wr corps get a whole lot better.

[uscgamecocks]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I am going to assume that you meant "of course we won't draft a WR [in the first round]“. Our corps is deep in theory, but quantity doesn't necessarily mean enough quality to move us forward. There are still many question marks, especially about route running and hands. This very same group, sans J-Co, left way too much meat on the bone last season, and let us down in a big way on the sport's largest stage. 

There is interest in upgrading the position and/or spurring comoetition. Just look at how many receivers the team has checked out.

I think a lot of people misinterpret our success throwing the ball last year.  Cam won the MVP precisely because we had subpar receiving talent that he elevated in directing the offense to becoming the #1 unit in the league.

Ted Ginn has now caught 15 TDs from Cam in two season and 6 TDs from guys not named Cam.  Heck, he's dropped more sure fire TDs from Cam in two seasons than he has caught from other QBs in seven.

I love that this team puts him in a role where he can be successful.  But let's not pretend we can't use more talent at the WR position when Ginn, Cotchery, and Brown were playing huge minutes in the super bowl.  The lack of talent and depth at WR contributed to the loss just as much as our OTs being overmatched.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, chknwing said:

it doesn't matter how many wr this team has if Cam doesn't have the time to get them the ball. Games are won in the trenches.  Carolina needs oline help. fix that, give Cam more time to survey the defense and watch our existing wr corps get a whole lot better.

The O-line wasn't that bad last year if you look at the stats. Cam mostly had time, but it certainly ran out in the Super Bowl.

Not saying that there aren't any, but I don't know of any trench guys that we could draft at the end of the first round that could make an immediate impact this season. Any OT or guard that will likely be available when we pick will likely have to sit behind what we already have.

58 minutes ago, uscgamecocks said:

I think a lot of people misinterpret our success throwing the ball last year.  Cam won the MVP precisely because we had subpar receiving talent that he elevated in directing the offense to becoming the #1 unit in the league.

Ted Ginn has now caught 15 TDs from Cam in two season and 6 TDs from guys not named Cam.  Heck, he's dropped more sure fire TDs from Cam in two seasons than he has caught from other QBs in seven.

I love that this team puts him in a role where he can be successful.  But let's not pretend we can't use more talent at the WR position when Ginn, Cotchery, and Brown were playing huge minutes in the super bowl.  The lack of talent and depth at WR contributed to the loss just as much as our OTs being overmatched.

I believe you're right. 

It may seem counterintuitive, but I believe that the day we can depend on Cam less because of the talent around him,  is the day we will have our best shot at winning the Lombardi.

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, uscgamecocks said:

I think a lot of people misinterpret our success throwing the ball last year.  Cam won the MVP precisely because we had subpar receiving talent that he elevated in directing the offense to becoming the #1 unit in the league.

Ted Ginn has now caught 15 TDs from Cam in two season and 6 TDs from guys not named Cam.  Heck, he's dropped more sure fire TDs from Cam in two seasons than he has caught from other QBs in seven.

I love that this team puts him in a role where he can be successful.  But let's not pretend we can't use more talent at the WR position when Ginn, Cotchery, and Brown were playing huge minutes in the super bowl.  The lack of talent and depth at WR contributed to the loss just as much as our OTs being overmatched.

We have Benjamin coming back and Funchess is no longer a rookie.

Both those factors mean a lot more than some are giving credit for.