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Hardy interview w/Schefter, full interview on page 17

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  On 4/9/2016 at 6:11 PM, ctrcat said:

Moss in Minnesota and Oakland was an awful teammate.  Greg admitted in the interview he was responsible for his actions and he had made mistakes.  

The Steelers are another favorite next year.  Is Ben Roethlisberger's sordid past gonna stop him from trying to keep us from glory in Super Bowl 51?  He's represented for years THE FACE of a franchise that JR said he wanted us to someday be.  At a minimum, his party hardy (pun intended) pictures are all over the internet along with DOZENS of high profile athletes among all sports.  Again, Greg even admitted he was not without sin, but it is truly unprecedented how unjustly villainized he's become.

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I'm not a fan of Roethlisberger, but I'd ask when was the last time you heard him accused of half-assing a season or giving less than his best effort?

As I've said (numerous times) in this thread - and as has been attested to by other sources - Hardy not having a job right now has more to do with his being more interested in partying than working hard.

It's not what he did in the past. It's who he is in the present.

Teams are well aware of what he's like when he has big money. That's why nobody's willing to give him any. And he'll continue to be unemploymed as long as he keeps believing he's worth it.

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Sources also said Cam was a narcissistic con artist who only wanted to be an entertainer and icon.  We have guys here that went to war with the guy for years, and yet another in Michael Oher who was with the guy in high school and college.  They never questioned his effort.  Like I said I have no problem throwing the Dallas accusations in the face of he and his agent in my zero tolerance vet minimum offer.

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  On 4/9/2016 at 7:42 PM, ctrcat said:

Sources also said Cam was a narcissistic con artist who only wanted to be an entertainer and icon.  We have guys here that went to war with the guy for years, and yet another in Michael Oher who was with the guy in high school and college.  They never questioned his effort.  Like I said I have no problem throwing the Dallas accusations in the face of he and his agent in my zero tolerance vet minimum offer.

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An offer that is based solely and completely on emotion...

This is why you're not a GM.

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  On 4/9/2016 at 7:45 PM, Mr. Scot said:

An offer that is based solely and completely on emotion...

This is why you're not a GM.

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You obviously believe GMan wouldn't touch the guy at any price.  You may be right.  I do not believe that when he franchised the guy and let him play after the incident.  Again GMan brought Frank Alexander back this year.  He could perhaps get Hardy at a 95% discount of what he's already paid, and we were in a far worse cap situation at that time.  It could be argued that considering what other DE's got on the market this year he could be had at well over a 95% discount of his value with this team.

The key is JR.  As long as the door remains cracked open by him remaining unsigned we'll just have to let the fluid situation play out.  Long odds indeed but again at present there's enough of a need at DE (where you can never have too many), support from former teammates, and reasons in theory for JR to not care about the backlash from the Michelle Beadles of the world to make you go hmmmm.

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  On 4/9/2016 at 6:11 PM, ctrcat said:

Moss in Minnesota and Oakland was an awful teammate.  Greg admitted in the interview he was responsible for his actions and he had made mistakes.  

The Steelers are another favorite next year.  Is Ben Roethlisberger's sordid past gonna stop him from trying to keep us from glory in Super Bowl 51?  He's represented for years THE FACE of a franchise that JR said he wanted us to someday be.  At a minimum, his party hardy (pun intended) pictures are all over the internet along with DOZENS of high profile athletes among all sports.  Again, Greg even admitted he was not without sin, but it is truly unprecedented how unjustly villainized he's become.

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  On 4/9/2016 at 6:11 PM, ctrcat said:

Moss in Minnesota and Oakland was an awful teammate.  Greg admitted in the interview he was responsible for his actions and he had made mistakes.  

The Steelers are another favorite next year.  Is Ben Roethlisberger's sordid past gonna stop him from trying to keep us from glory in Super Bowl 51?  He's represented for years THE FACE of a franchise that JR said he wanted us to someday be.  At a minimum, his party hardy (pun intended) pictures are all over the internet along with DOZENS of high profile athletes among all sports.  Again, Greg even admitted he was not without sin, but it is truly unprecedented how unjustly villainized he's become.

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Yes...because saying I am responsible for my actions, but I did nothing wrong is NOT taking responsibility for anything

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You obviously believe GMan wouldn't touch the guy at any price.  You may be right.  I do not believe that when he franchised the guy and let him play after the incident.  Again GMan brought Frank Alexander back this year.  He could perhaps get Hardy at a 95% discount of what he's already paid, and we were in a far worse cap situation at that time.  It could be argued that considering what other DE's got on the market this year he could be had at well over a 95% discount of his value with this team.

The key is JR.  As long as the door remains cracked open by him remaining unsigned we'll just have to let the fluid situation play out.  Long odds indeed but again at present there's enough of a need at DE (where you can never have too many), support from former teammates, and reasons in theory for JR to not care about the backlash from the Michelle Beadles of the world to make you go hmmmm.

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Frank Alexander isn't back. Check the roster. And that JR conspiracy theory is still just as ridiculous as it always was.

There are no practical reasons to believe that the guy who was mediocre at best last year in Dallas will suddenly be a star just because he's back with us. That's pure emotional reasoning and it's not how Gettleman operates.

And it isn't Dallas's fault that he was a numbnuts in the locker room and half-assed it as a teammate. I know in your philosophy Hardy isn't to blame for anything that happened last year, but here in the real world, it's different.

You can pine for Greg Hardy to be back on this team all you want. Come up with a hundred conspiracy theories if it makes you feel better. None of it matters.

It's not happening.

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^ He doesn't have to be a star.  If he was believed to be a mediocre schmo last year, he could be that same guy on the field and still be a steal under the contract he'll likely get this year.

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For him to be worth the headache that he brings with him, he'd have to be a lot better than that 'mediocre schmo' from last year.

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  On 4/9/2016 at 9:22 PM, Mr. Scot said:

For him to be worth the headache that he brings with him, he'd have to be a lot better than that 'mediocre schmo' from last year.

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I dunno, a play like this against Russell Wilson 

 

As well as a play like this in the Super Bowl against Tom Brady

 

Along with a Goody's Headache powder, should do the trick.

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  On 4/10/2016 at 1:13 PM, Mr. Scot said:

Two whole highlights?

Oh yeah, that's enough to justify investing an entire season on someone.

Heck, why'd we let go of Domenik Hixon. I mean he had that one great play that year...

 

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C'mon man.  Greg Hardy is a beast.  Using a Hixon catch as a comparison is this situation is wrong.  He's one of the greatest sack specialists in Panthers history and was out of football for what, 19 games?  Those couple of highlights just show the kind of monster he is.  He had a less than 'Kraken' year but what do you expect after his long absence.  I think IF he gets another chance (not saying from the Panthers) he will light ish on fire.

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  On 4/10/2016 at 4:37 PM, Mojo said:

C'mon man.  Greg Hardy is a beast.  Using a Hixon catch as a comparison is this situation is wrong.  He's one of the greatest sack specialists in Panthers history and was out of football for what, 19 games?  Those couple of highlights just show the kind of monster he is.  He had a less than 'Kraken' year but what do you expect after his long absence.  I think IF he gets another chance (not saying from the Panthers) he will light ish on fire.

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After his long absence, and his playing in what was essentially a contract year because he badly needed to show teams he was worth something, I'd expect better than his partying, constantly showing up late and being a malcontent.

Hardy doesn't get it. He's convinced of his own greatness so he doesn't feel the need to do the stuff he should. The problem with that? He's not as great as he or his fans think he is, and it showed last season.

His best chance for lighting anything up will only come if he wakes up and realizes he actually needs to work hard and quit living like his life's just one long party.

And no, it won't happen here...if it happens at all.

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Two whole highlights?

Oh yeah, that's enough to justify investing an entire season on someone.

Heck, why'd we let go of Domenik Hixon. I mean he had that one great play that year...

 

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GMan gave up a pick for a way past his prime DE that had 3 DUI's in his past, and, who had, TWO sacks on the year.

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I just want to say I think Hardy was done wrong and the media are continuing to do him wrong. I do not believe he is a woman beater. They love to leave out little details like him calling 911 or failing to explain NC's law or the difference between a bench trial and a jury trial. Whatever it takes to fulfill their agenda. If you don't agree with them or fit their image, they love to crucify you.  We don't get unbiased news anymore or the whole truth. Bottom line is he is still innocent until proven guilty. I'd love to have him back. 

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