$16 mil per year actually a reasonable starting point

[KillerKat]

Uh no

[Catufb85]

Our Front 7 makes any average DB become great.  Look at the DBs that have been brought in and then departed for larger contracts.  Our Front 7 is where the focal point needs to be.   Norman is a zone guy, you put him in a system with a weak front 7 and ask him to cover man to man majority of the time, I would be interested to see the outcome.   Norman has been using that front 7 to his advantage with breaking on balls and breaking on other WRs because we are getting pressure on the QB.  Lock up KShort and Star and draft a young gun DB and let Norman walk after this year. 

I gained so much respect off of CJ's move to rejoin for less.  Norman hasn't got that fat payday yet and I don't blame him for wanting it.  You want to be the highest paid CB in the league (maybe history) per year and you didn't even lead your team in INTs. 

[Fan01]

I think Gettleman knows how much Josh is worth to the Panthers and apparently it's no where near what Josh thinks he's worth.  Now, that may be different than how much he's worth on the open market or how much the Raiders or Giants would pay him.  I would bet that Gettlemen knows exactly how much each position on our team should make that best maximizes our system as a whole. 

The bottom line is out defense works from the inside out and that means we undervalue the backend of our defense to an extent.  You can't pay everyone and we've got sure fire studs on their rookie deals that we will have to pay top dollar to keep.  Short and Benji for sure...maybe Star.  It's a constant balance of making the best team for this year but with an eye towards the long term future. 

Time and time again Gettleman has shown that his very best skill set is looking at NFL players and seeing what they're really worth. 

[CWORS]

I think Norman needs to look at the guaranteed money instead of the average per year. If DG offered him $35-40 million guaranteed for 3 years, why would he turn that down? 

[Davidson Deac II]

2 hours ago, Snake said:

No way we pay him even 14.

If he signs his tender, then we will be paying him 14 or very close to it, at least for this upcoming season. 

 

Personally, I wouldn't have much of a problem paying him 16 for this upcoming season, as long as the pay per year drops each year.  I doubt he would be willing to do that though.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

16 minutes ago, Catufb85 said:

Our Front 7 makes any average DB become great.  Look at the DBs that have been brought in and then departed for larger contracts.  Our Front 7 is where the focal point needs to be.   Norman is a zone guy, you put him in a system with a weak front 7 and ask him to cover man to man majority of the time, I would be interested to see the outcome.   Norman has been using that front 7 to his advantage with breaking on balls and breaking on other WRs because we are getting pressure on the QB.  Lock up KShort and Star and draft a young gun DB and let Norman walk after this year. 

This^

[iamhubby1]

2 hours ago, csx said:

Clearly he is a contributor to our success but I don't think he's worth it. That's just my opinion.  And I fully understand how the market dictates position salaries but seeing him get nearly $4 million more than Kuechly on average just doesn't seem right. 

 

It is just the nature of the beast. Some positions just seem to pay more than others. Josh just happens to play a position that pays the top guys lots of money.

Luke, not so much.

 

1 hour ago, morgan55 said:

I feel like Norman after this season will go play for a team like the raiders and he will get picked on

 

You know, good players do go to good teams? It is not a given that Josh is going to wind up rich, but on a bad team. He could wind up rich, and on a good team. Or a team on the rise.

 

It's also not a given that Josh will fall off the map just because he loses our front 7. If you can ball, and Josh sure as shoot can, you can ball. It's just that simple and plain. Josh is not just talented. He has the work ethic to go with it.

[top dawg]

No one actually knows what G-man's valuation is on Norman, but we do know that the numbers that Norman has heard so far aren't floating his boat. That being the case, there just may be a sizeable gap. Why else would Norman be making his case in the court of public opinion?

[Saca312]

Meanwhile Von Miller is looking for around 22 million a year. It must suck to be an NFL GM during these kind of years.

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The sum Miller is seeking is $22 million per year, according to Jason Cole of Bleacher Report.

http://sportsnaut.com/2016/03/report-von-miller-seek-22-million-broncos/

 

[GoobyPls]

Front load his contract, then reconstruct if he starts to decline. Add some incentives to it

[Snake]

7 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

If he signs his tender, then we will be paying him 14 or very close to it, at least for this upcoming season. 

 

Personally, I wouldn't have much of a problem paying him 16 for this upcoming season, as long as the pay per year drops each year.  I doubt he would be willing to do that though.

Not really talking about this year. No way he gets a clean 14+ mill from us.  He's good but that would hinder us more than help us. 

[pantherclaw]

No way Gettleman gives Norman a multi-year deal paying him more than Luke. 

 

[Montsta]

7 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

It is just the nature of the beast. Some positions just seem to pay more than others. Josh just happens to play a position that pays the top guys lots of money.

Luke, not so much.

 

 

You know, good players do go to good teams? It is not a given that Josh is going to wind up rich, but on a bad team. He could wind up rich, and on a good team. Or a team on the rise.

 

It's also not a given that Josh will fall off the map just because he loses our front 7. If you can ball, and Josh sure as shoot can, you can ball. It's just that simple and plain. Josh is not just talented. He has the work ethic to go with it.

I don't think it's a given by any stretch, but it's bad teams that typically have salary cap space and splurge on high priced free agents, that's one of the reasons why they are bad. 

Take all the playoff teams from last season and I can't think of any that has the cap space or the want to pickup Josh Norman on a say 4 year deal averaging 16 per when he turns 29 in December. That means the last couple years of that deal he will be 32 and 33 years old and have salaries north of probably $18MM and $20MM. So now you are left with tough decisions to make on what may have amounted to a very expensive two year rental. 

Now again, of course none of this is a given, but this is the kind of foresight Gettleman seems to specialize in and that Hurney was severely lacking. 

Just look at Nnamdi Asumogha. He was quietly one of the best corners (if not the best) in football for years (compared to Notman's season and a half or so), and he just fell off a damn cliff. Now luckily for the Eagles he didn't have guaranteed money so it wasn't the end of the world, but just imagine if when they signed him he had huge guarantees and after just his first year he poo the bed and you wanted to cut him? That's the kind of debacle that sets you back big time and gets GM's and coaches fired. 

[iamhubby1]

7 minutes ago, Montsta said:

I don't think it's a given by any stretch, but it's bad teams that typically have salary cap space and splurge on high priced free agents, that's one of the reasons why they are bad. 

Take all the playoff teams from last season and I can't think of any that has the cap space or the want to pickup Josh Norman on a say 4 year deal averaging 16 per when he turns 29 in December. That means the last couple years of that deal he will be 32 and 33 years old and have salaries north of probably $18MM and $20MM. So now you are left with tough decisions to make on what may have amounted to a very expensive two year rental. 

Now again, of course none of this is a given, but this is the kind of foresight Gettleman seems to specialize in and that Hurney was severely lacking. 

Just look at Nnamdi Asumogha. He was quietly one of the best corners (if not the best) in football for years (compared to Notman's season and a half or so), and he just fell off a damn cliff. Now luckily for the Eagles he didn't have guaranteed money so it wasn't the end of the world, but just imagine if when they signed him he had huge guarantees and after just his first year he poo the bed and you wanted to cut him? That's the kind of debacle that sets you back big time and gets GM's and coaches fired. 

 

Ok, I'll play. Firstly, I will admit that the vast majority of teams that have cap space is, well, because they don't spend money. Being fiscally responsible doesn't automatically make them bad teams. It usually signifies a teams willingness to use the draft over Free Agency. Point being, CAP space does not dictate a teams quality. IMO, it is the Powers That Be that control the CAP space. Well run teams, prosper. Badly run teams, flounder.

 

Personally, I don't think Josh is worth what he wants either. Shut down corners, are rare, and expensive. But not everyone can afford them. And others just flat out refuse to pay for them. I think Gman has a number for Josh. And am willing to bet it is close to what his actual value should be. But even at that price, there will be teams that WILL pay for Josh. His options will probably be limited, and the money may not be a whole lot more. But he should be able to beat what Gman can offer.

 

Josh has talent. He has worked his azz off to get where he is. He bet on himself, and won a 14m Franchise Tag. He deserved a long term deal, and got the tag. He has played like a champ for the last 1 1/2 years. Not a long time. But the results are there. He is one of the best, and just wants to be paid as such.

 

In Conclusion. I am of the belief that it is not necessarily the length of the deal that is the hold up. Because I don't think teams are scared off by his age. Under normal circumstances he could get a great deal. But, when you are talking about the amount of money this deal could be looking at? Then you have to be just a little bit concerned over that age factor.

 

When you are talking about 4 yrs. 40m, you can front load for insurance for any drop-off in production. But when you are talking in excess of 60m. You have to be concerned over whether that lack of production is a real threat. Josh has very little mileage. Takes care of himself. And uses his brain as well as anyone. He just may be effective well into his 30's.

 

tl/dr version. Thanks for reading. CBs are getting big money. Josh is one of the best. Going to be fun watching this play out. But to be honest. I just don't see him here next year. Barring some of that infamous Gettlemagic that is.