J-No wants 16 million a year

[AU-panther]

44 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

 

 

Maybe he is saying 16mil so he can get 12-13mil year. Isn't one of the rules in negotitations to ask for more than what you need?

There is probably some truth to this.

If you make the argument that he is one of the top 5-6 defensive players in the league then $16m is fair.

If you make the argument that he is one of the top 3 corners in the league then $14m is fair.

Unfortunately for Josh "fair" really doesn't matter in negotiations. Leverage does.

With the franchise tag the Panthers have the leverage.

He can hold out and make zero.

or

He can sign the tag and earn roughly $14m 

or

He can accept whatever offer the Panthers give him.

Even if there were 10 other teams in the league willing to offer Josh that type of money it doesn't matter this year unless they are willing to give up two 1st round picks.

If Josh wants to play under the tag this year and become an unrestricted free agent next year then he would gain leverage by having offers from other teams.  (The chance of a 2nd tag is unlikely)  If he has a down year or gets hurt he could ultimately lose money versus taking a long term deal now.  

What kind of money would Josh get on the open market next year?  I have no idea. 

Would a team offer him a 4yr/$64m?  All it takes is one.

How much of it is the system?  Is he more of a Zone corner?  Would other teams value him as much as Revis or Peterson?

At what point does his age start to hurt him?

I wish the best for Josh in whatever he does.  I have no problem with a player trying to maximize their income, but I understand the team has to do what is best for them.

The question isn't' "can we afford him?", it is whether or not that is the best use of that cap space, which is a limited resource.  You have to decide what the player is worth to your team.

 

 

 

 

[MadHatter]

He is not worth 16m.  I know many of us were pissed when some players said he was not elite because he is a zone CB.  But, it is a fact.  He does not have the speed to play one on one press coverage at that high level.  That diminishes  his true value...even though he thinks he is the best.

[Panic]

What is Josh's trade market value is the real question

[ctrcat]

29 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Bye Norman.  Your services aren't required at that figure. Sign and trade incoming. If we sign Boykin and draft a cb in the 1st we may even be better in the back end then last year, collectively. 

 

If our BPA is a corner at 30, Fuller, Howard, Apple, etc., then I'm definitely on the phone with the 49ers all night Thursday and Friday morning if need be for their high 2nd and Antoine Bethea.  AJ Klein, and late picks from either side are on the table to massage the deal.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Joe Person wrote this piece. This means that Josh does not want 16 million per year.

[TheRed]

1 hour ago, Lilsmitty09 said:

Maybe he should catch those INT's in the biggest game of the year you know?

 

16 Mil a year is a lot easier when you HELP the cause in the Superbowl..

I understand your frustration, really, I do.

But this is such bullshit man. If we're going to start tossing out players who didn't live up to expectations in the Super Bowl, we won't be able to fill half a roster.

Stop.

[CarolinaNCSU]

Screw a one year rental, trade him if we can. 

Even if we play the comp pick game, we're looking at a 3rd rounder at best, if we don't screw ourselves with the comp pick formula. Trade him now, save the money, extend KK, sign/trade for a CB or two (Boykin), profit. 

[CPF4LIFE]

1 hour ago, NJPanthers12 said:

16 million a year for Josh Norman is a joke. He is absolutely not worth that much. At no point has he been better than Revis in his prime. Josh does not seem like a reasonable human being.

Right...being a 5th round pick and 28 years old in the NFL with only accumulating a lil over million dollars in earnings makes you unreasonable.

[CPF4LIFE]

20 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I understand your frustration, really, I do.

But this is such bullshit man. If we're going to start tossing out players who didn't live up to expectations in the Super Bowl, we won't be able to fill half a roster.

Stop.

Exactly, complete bullshit to bring this up, i hate when fans stoop to this level. Josh won games for us last year, that so called elite pass rush was at best above average for half the year. Josh made us better on D, thats facts.

[AU-panther]

6 minutes ago, CarolinaNCSU said:

Screw a one year rental, trade him if we can. 

Even if we play the comp pick game, we're looking at a 3rd rounder at best, if we don't screw ourselves with the comp pick formula. Trade him now, save the money, extend KK, sign/trade for a CB or two (Boykin), profit. 

For a team to trade for him they would probably want him to agree to a long term deal before the trade.  How many teams would be willing to pay Norman what he wants and give up a good draft pick?  Probably not many.

Also by keeping him for one more year you give whatever rookie you draft time to develop.

I'm not saying we shouldn't or wouldn't trade him if the right offer came along but I would be surprised if it did.

 

[The_Rainmaker]

43 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

There is probably some truth to this.

If you make the argument that he is one of the top 5-6 defensive players in the league then $16m is fair.

If you make the argument that he is one of the top 3 corners in the league then $14m is fair.

Unfortunately for Josh "fair" really doesn't matter in negotiations. Leverage does.

With the franchise tag the Panthers have the leverage.

He can hold out and make zero.

or

He can sign the tag and earn roughly $14m 

or

He can accept whatever offer the Panthers give him.

Even if there were 10 other teams in the league willing to offer Josh that type of money it doesn't matter this year unless they are willing to give up two 1st round picks.

If Josh wants to play under the tag this year and become an unrestricted free agent next year then he would gain leverage by having offers from other teams.  (The chance of a 2nd tag is unlikely)  If he has a down year or gets hurt he could ultimately lose money versus taking a long term deal now.  

What kind of money would Josh get on the open market next year?  I have no idea. 

Would a team offer him a 4yr/$64m?  All it takes is one.

How much of it is the system?  Is he more of a Zone corner?  Would other teams value him as much as Revis or Peterson?

At what point does his age start to hurt him?

I wish the best for Josh in whatever he does.  I have no problem with a player trying to maximize their income, but I understand the team has to do what is best for them.

The question isn't' "can we afford him?", it is whether or not that is the best use of that cap space, which is a limited resource.  You have to decide what the player is worth to your team.

 

 

 

 

System is good as only its parts," what type of corner is he" A corner that fits the panthers system and is able to execute all the assignments  at a elite level. The question is are we gonna be able to find a corner in the draft that can replace the production of Norman and how long will it take to develop the pick into a bonfied starter. Per Gettleman it take 2-3 years for a rookie to be developed. I believe Norman has 3-4 years of elite playing skills and that is about the window of frame we have with our current core to win the Superbowl. IMO a deal gets done with more guarnteed money but a shorter contract.  

[The_Rainmaker]

6 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Exactly, complete bullshit to bring this up, i hate when fans stoop to this level. Josh won games for us last year, that so called elite pass rush was at best above average for half the year. Josh made us better on D, thats facts.

People do not remeber 2013 we had the best pass rushing DL and we got blown away by Kapernick with shitty secondary. A balance team is always better, just look at the Bills or Texans. 

[SZ James (banned)]

the sour grapes in here is fuϲking pathetic

[SZ James (banned)]

yeah we can just plug shitty players in as long as we have a good line that's why all of our other backs have never panned out