[Updated] Josh Norman Oklahoma Drill Interview AND Dameshek video

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, Servant of Cthululelei said:

I very much so agree with this.  Now it's POSSIBLE to have a great defense that's built on the secondary, like Seattle had for awhile, but it requires some truly top notch talent across the entire secondary - which is 5 players when you include a nickel back.  And that's not even mentioning that such a strategy requires you to get away with penalties regularly because the refs won't call it every time.

On the other hand, you can't gameplan as easily around star talent in the trenches and at the second level.  Those guys have a chance to impact almost every play.

The 'pass rush vs coverage' debate will probably be going on until the end of time, but one thing we know is that Gettleman and Rivera both come down on the 'pass rush' side of that argument.

Now, both guys like Norman and want him back, but per Voth getting Kawann Short signed long term is a higher priority overall, and that's consistent with their philosophy..

Still a lot of time left to see how this plays out.

[t96]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

The 'pass rush vs coverage' debate will probably be going on until the end of time, but one thing we know is that Gettleman and Rivera both come down on the 'pass rush' side of that argument.

Now, both guys like Norman and want him back, but per Voth getting Kawann Short signed long term is a higher priority overall, and that's consistent with their philosophy..

Still a lot of time left to see how this plays out.

That's what it comes down to: KK. If we get KK locked up long term the focus then turns to Josh. Of course if Josh is dead set on highest paid CB and Dave is dead set on less then it'll never get done but as for nothing happening recently I think it's because KK is the priority. And he should be. Question is, can we even afford both and other key players that will need contracts soon (Norwell, Star, 2014 draft class, Philly, Coleman, Oher, Ginn, etc.)? I don't think so unless KK takes considerably less than he could get (I think he could get $17M/year if he wanted after next year if he has as good a year as this past season. If we could keep him for $12-14M/year maybe we could get Josh done as well for closer to what he wants.).

[Panfan35]

Trade him quick and get some draft picks we will be better off in the long run.

[panthers55]

I hope all this is contract positioning and little else

 Josh is hardly top 5 of all time, he is likely top 5 among Panther DBs all time but not everyone. Plus there is real question about whether he was best last year. He might be the best zone coverages guy but not the best man coverage guy. He doesn't even change sides of the field and only played in the slot some of the time. You don't play top money to a guy you can scheme around by just switching sides of the field. Sure you can say he can play man or switch sides but you pay for what they do not what you think they might be able to do.

And that doesn't even account for the fact he was very good for 1 season not the past 5 years. Plus you don't usually sign a guy long term who is already 28. If he goes elsewhere expect what usually happens to all our players on defense. They play better here because of the scheme and elsewhere are average at best. I predict Norman will do the same.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Josh is 28 and realizes this is his one chance to get as much money as he possibly can. Next off-season he's going to be 29 and his value would have decreased just due to his age. It's just business, don't hat on the guy for that.

[jumpman910]

1 hour ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Josh is 28 and realizes this is his one chance to get as much money as he possibly can. Next off-season he's going to be 29 and his value would have decreased just due to his age. It's just business, don't hat on the guy for that.

 

[CelticCat]

Josh did play on both sides of the field when asked, so he's not just capable of playing one side. I think the only guy thats really been able to consistently beat him in man is Vincent Jackson.

The problem for Josh is, he's a late bloomer both in age and productivity. He was not a Gman draftee either. I wonder if Gman has no intention of extending him this year and wants to see him play at that high level one more year before commiting to a longer term deal. And even then, at that age how long can you extend him before he does start showing his age?

 

[Jmac]

Stopping the run and putting the opposing QB on his ass Is the key. Forcing bad and indecisive throws due to pressure makes the secondary look good. If we can add pieces needed to strengthen that D line, then we don't need a "best in the world" CB for a huge salary. Give me draft picks and find a guy that can do the job.

 

 

 

[CPF4LIFE]

10 hours ago, Bartin said:

The same reason people are starting to hate on him is a large part of the reason why people loved him in the first place. Everyone loves the cocky swagger until it comes to contract time.

Exactly

[JawnyBlaze]

7 hours ago, CelticCat said:

Josh did play on both sides of the field when asked, so he's not just capable of playing one side. I think the only guy thats really been able to consistently beat him in man is Vincent Jackson.

The problem for Josh is, he's a late bloomer both in age and productivity. He was not a Gman draftee either. I wonder if Gman has no intention of extending him this year and wants to see him play at that high level one more year before commiting to a longer term deal. And even then, at that age how long can you extend him before he does start showing his age?

 

Lol yea this "teams can just scheme the plays to the other side argument" is stale. Norman pretty much always followed the best WR to whichever side they were on. The only place teams could hide their receivers was the slot, which for whatever reason was the one place McD and/or Rivera wouldn't let him go. 

[MHS831]

If you don't like Norman's stance based on the fact that you don't think he is worth what he is asking, that is not HATE.  HATE is an emotion, and we have difficulty, at times, separating the fan from the GM in us.  Norman thinks he deserves to be rewarded for what he has done. Contracts are agreements for services to be rendered, not already rendered. While past performance is the best predictor of future success, you have to factor in age and consistency.  It is not hate.  It is an opinion about how we should allocate resources.