Official NFL Free Agency Thread

[Bartin]

38 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Would you rather be like the Saints or the Patriots?

One HoF QB plays for about half of what he's worth, the other HoF QB does not.

[Handsome Steve]

53 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Would you rather be like the Saints or the Patriots?

To be fair, they both have SB wins, so yeah, I'll take being like either.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

1 hour ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

This thread derailment is brought to you by Growl (the unofficial armchair GM of The Panther faithful).

he did the same poo last year.  it was really funny when he got cornered on what he'd do differently and he basically said he didn't have to answer that question.  what a laugh riot.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

on that note, what a throwback thursday on the huddle this is turning into!  our resident poo-chucking howler monkey loses his mind in a free agency thread and wildly mischaracterizes what other less insane posters are saying.  except this time it's over the personnel moves of a 15-1 team coming off a super bowl loss and not one that just went 7-8-1 and backed into a division title.  i just hope somebody tries to ask him what we should be doing instead so he can do what he did last year and basically say that he doesn't have to answer that question.  that'd be really fun.

Literally any idiot would take a super bowl right now over this mythical "we're so set up for the future!!!" that is a hallmark staple of the Carolina panthers offseason year in and year out.

yes literally any idiot, including me, would.  that's not the point.  note that i'm not calling what the broncos did stupid or saying that it isn't something that can work.  my problem is that it's the stupidest possible comparison imaginable for what the panthers are doing (or doing wrong in your opinion i suppose).  i'm saying it's not right for this team right now.  and there's nothing "mythical" about a team with players like cam newton and luke kuechly locked up for the foreseeable future being a title contender.   

why not go with the seahawks in 2013?  they were a team with a young franchise quarterback and a tough defense whose star players were mostly draft picks.  they went out and traded for a mercenary "trouble" high risk/high reward dude in percy harvin and it paid off for them.

We are roughly half way through our franchise QB's tenure here. How many consecutive years will the team be "prepping for the future" exactly while the roster continues to age around them

see i knew i should have been extremely specific about this because any talk of the future whatsoever results in people like you jumping all over my poo about how i don't want to see this team win a title which is an easy as poo thing to argue against.  i think there might even be a name for pulling that in a discussion.

the panthers are worried about the future in the sense that the foundation for this team to be a year-in, year-out title contender has been laid.  2015 is the outcome of the preparation work.  what needs to be done now is to continue to build depth and have guys ready to step in for when the thomas davises and ryan kalils retire.  and that's best done through the draft.

i took care to point out that denver isn't concerned with anything remotely like that because they know (well knew) that their window was about to slam shut and it directly fuging correlates to their quarterback position from the top on down.  the panthers aren't remotely the same.  they aren't rebuilding, they aren't trying to get ready for something that might happen in five years, they're built to contend right now and if anything they're going to get younger as the FO's strategy is draft-heavy.  this is a complete dogshit strawman and nobody really believes what you're suggesting.

even the moves denver made with their coaching staff bore this concept out.  they forced john fox out because they were built to contend for a title right then and necessarily couldn't be patient with a guy who wasn't able to win with what they had because they knew it was going to turn to ash very quickly.  and it is now as their roster is picked apart in free agency.  i don't know how much simpler this can be.

Its time to stop rationalizing why recent franchises have won super bowls and it's time to emulate them.

nobody has to rationalize poo.  this team just won 15 games and played in a super bowl.  the way this team is built works.  if you're saying we should emulate the broncos when we're built wildly differently from them then i have nothing to say to you.

i only regret one thing about 2015, and that's not entering into a bunch of ban bets with morons like you over whether the panthers would make the super bowl.  oh well.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

also growl don't mistake the length of that post for me giving your opinion any credence or credibility.  a gas giant of misguided snarky shitposting surrounding a dense core of dumb opinions.  you're like phillyb if he was dropped on his head as a child.

[Mr. Scot]

28 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

One is in the playoffs almost every year and has a stable nucleus. The other is in cap hell and on the verge of being a bottom feeder for the next 10-15 years.

Bingo.

If you're willing to accept five to ten years (or more) of mediocrity for a single Super Bowl trophy, I'd say you have pretty low standards.

If talking about that Super Bowl you won seven years ago is enough to get you through yet another long, lousy season of sitting back and watching your rivals winning, you might as well be a Saints fan.

Give me a team that's in the hunt every single year over a one year wonder any day.

[ctrcat]

Okung to the Broncos.  

RIP Russell Wilson

1988-2016

[Growl]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Would you rather be like the Saints or the Patriots?

The Patriots, absolutely. It's just a shame we don't mold our team more like theirs as I've pressed us to do, or we may have a few super bowl trophies. Oh well though, if we keep building, just stick to the plan, keep on preparing for the future, then I have absolute faith that in 2023 we'll come away with a Lombardi.

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, Growl said:

The Patriots, absolutely. It's just a shame we don't mold our team more like theirs as I've pressed us to do, or we may have a few super bowl trophies. Oh well though, if we keep building, just stick to the plan, keep on preparing for the future, then I have absolute faith that in 2023 we'll come away with a Lombardi.

Name a time when the Patriots mortgaged their future for one Super Bowl victory?

That's not how they operate. They've built themselves to be perennial contenders, which is exactly what we're doing (and it's going pretty well).

You're setting yourself up to look pretty stupid if we have a successful season, but we already knew you were capable of that. You did a fine job of it last year.

[Growl]

1 hour ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

on that note, what a throwback thursday on the huddle this is turning into!  our resident poo-chucking howler monkey loses his mind in a free agency thread and wildly mischaracterizes what other less insane posters are saying.  except this time it's over the personnel moves of a 15-1 team coming off a super bowl loss and not one that just went 7-8-1 and backed into a division title.  i just hope somebody tries to ask him what we should be doing instead so he can do what he did last year and basically say that he doesn't have to answer that question.  that'd be really fun.

 

 

yes literally any idiot, including me, would.  that's not the point.  note that i'm not calling what the broncos did stupid or saying that it isn't something that can work.  my problem is that it's the stupidest possible comparison imaginable for what the panthers are doing (or doing wrong in your opinion i suppose).  i'm saying it's not right for this team right now.  and there's nothing "mythical" about a team with players like cam newton and luke kuechly locked up for the foreseeable future being a title contender.  

why not go with the seahawks in 2013?  they were a team with a young franchise quarterback and a tough defense whose star players were mostly draft picks.  they went out and traded for a mercenary "trouble" high risk/high reward dude in percy harvin and it paid off for them.

 

 

see i knew i should have been extremely specific about this because any talk of the future whatsoever results in people like you jumping all over my poo about how i don't want to see this team win a title which is an easy as poo thing to argue against.  i think there might even be a name for pulling that in a discussion.

the panthers are worried about the future in the sense that the foundation for this team to be a year-in, year-out title contender has been laid.  2015 is the outcome of the preparation work.  what needs to be done now is to continue to build depth and have guys ready to step in for when the thomas davises and ryan kalils retire.  and that's best done through the draft.

i took care to point out that denver isn't concerned with anything remotely like that because they know (well knew) that their window was about to slam shut and it directly fuging correlates to their quarterback position from the top on down.  the panthers aren't remotely the same.  they aren't rebuilding, they aren't trying to get ready for something that might happen in five years, they're built to contend right now and if anything they're going to get younger as the FO's strategy is draft-heavy.  this is a complete dogshit strawman and nobody really believes what you're suggesting.

even the moves denver made with their coaching staff bore this concept out.  they forced john fox out because they were built to contend for a title right then and necessarily couldn't be patient with a guy who wasn't able to win with what they had because they knew it was going to turn to ash very quickly.  and it is now as their roster is picked apart in free agency.  i don't know how much simpler this can be.

 

 

nobody has to rationalize poo.  this team just won 15 games and played in a super bowl.  the way this team is built works.  if you're saying we should emulate the broncos when we're built wildly differently from them then i have nothing to say to you.

i only regret one thing about 2015, and that's not entering into a bunch of ban bets with morons like you over whether the panthers would make the super bowl.  oh well.

let's ignore for a second that you just tried to compare us to the 2013 seahawks, a team that had a number of notable outsider contributors and were crowned super bowl champions (just like the team the year after them, oh nd the team after them , that proved themselves our better as a franchise in the match-up of your hallowed philosophies) and let's key in on a couple misunderstandings you have that are ultimately resulting in your bad opinion

 

1) John Fox wasn't forced out because "he couldn't build for the long term" He was forced out because he was incapable of getting a team over the top. It's actually incredible to think about the parallels between their organization. Fox took them to a super bowl. If that happened here, that buys you a 10 year pass on this board and something close to that with the team itself. Denver didn't settle for that, and they are now World Champions.

 

2) Nobody is going to remember what the 2015 panthers did, because when matched up against a more talented team-they couldn't come through. Denver will go through a couple years of reloading and assuming they have proper leadership, will be right back in the thick of it. They will do this with a Lombardi trophy on their mantle. The Panthers will enter another season, building for the future yet again, as those two core players you mentioned, enter the middle portion of their career.

[Growl]

1 hour ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

also growl don't mistake the length of that post for me giving your opinion any credence or credibility.  a gas giant of misguided snarky shitposting surrounding a dense core of dumb opinions.  you're like phillyb if he was dropped on his head as a child.

Oh don't worry, honestly your knockoff Fiz impression lost it's novelty ages ago

[Icebox]

Am I the only one that would like to talk to the Broncos about trading for Clady? Clady is a heck of a LT, and the Broncos are now in a position where they have to practically give him away. He is owed about 9M this year and 10M next year. The only real question is his health given a recent ACL tear. However, that's really an issue with every player.

[Growl]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Name a time when the Patriots mortgaged their future for one Super Bowl victory?

That's not how they operate. They've built themselves to be perennial contenders, which is exactly what we're doing (and it's going pretty well).

You're setting yourself up to look pretty stupid if we have a successful season, but we already knew you were capable of that. You did a fine job of it last year.

1) you lost any sliver of plausibility you had remaining in your wellspring the moment you suggested that rebuilding process is indeed a 10 year plan, which would explain a lot about your terrible stance I guess but still doesn't justify it.

 

2) I'd ask how stupid does one have to be to try and cite the patriots as an example to your point given their constant stream of activity for quality players each offseason, but I guess we established that with point 1.

 

now make another dumb passive-aggressive vintage 1961 insult for me to roll my eyes and laugh at

[Growl]

I just want to point out that it's going to be so hilarious to look back on this 10 years from now and see all the people absolutely convinced that the Panthers were just a good 10 year cycle away from a four or five super bowl outburst, knowing we never reached anything close to that height. hopefully we'll be able to squeeze one out now.

 

oh well. maybe the team we'll have another good season next year, falling just short once again against the elite teams, and we can play out the string again next offseason "you can't insult them like that! look at how great they almost were! how close they almost came!"