josh doctson

[Woodie]

After watching some clips of Doctson, he has all the earmarks of being a very solid possession receiver.  For us, that would mean essentially being Cotchery's replacement.  However, I think he is more of a 2nd round talent.  The only WR I'd consider in the 1st is Coleman.  He has the speed and explosiveness that would complement KB and Funchess quite well.  But the chances of him being there at our pick are very slim, so I would probably go in a different direction in the 1st.

[JawnyBlaze]

I think another solid comparison for him is Roddy White.  I'd love to have a young Roddy White on the team (who wasn't an idiot).

[iamhubby1]

7 hours ago, KB_fan said:

I can't imagine us looking to draft a replacement for KK.  I think we're signing KK to a long-term deal as part of our core.  Yes, he'll be very expensive, but I'm pretty sure DG believes he's worth it.  

Now, do we also sign Star after his' 5th year option?  Not sure.  Love the guy.  Hope we can sign him, but he's a bit more replaceable, plus he's had the foot issues...  I could see us looking to draft a DT high who could potentially replace Star as one of our primary DTs.   In any case, we need a DT for depth in our rotation since Dwan Edwards was released and at this point we don't know yet if we'll be re-signing Kyle Love.

 

Here's what I think I know. Gman has a cap on where he sees salaries for each position. If KK continues to grow, by 2018, he just may price himself out of our range.

 

Best case scenario. KK balls out again next year, and Gman signs him to a long term deal before he hits FA. But I caution folks that we don't know how KK feels about this. Is he going to want top DT money? Which he just may deserve. Or will he take a tad bit less to stay here? Who knows.

 

Worst case. KK balls out again next year. We franchise him in 17, and lose him in 18. If we are going to lose him. Now is the best time to draft his replacement. Draft him this year and give him 3 years to develop. When KK leaves, the kid will be ready to step in. Sounds good to me.

 

And yes, even with all that said. We still need to bring in a Vet at DT. With only Stah, and KK proven. We can't count on Love and a draft pick to pick up the slack. We need a Dwan type vet to fill in the gap. At least for this year.

[pantherphan96]

I'd rather have another TE with KB and Funchess as the 1 and 2 WRs and Ginn/Philly in the slot. Gman probably goes with DE/DT in the first round.

[WOW!!]

8 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I think another solid comparison for him is Roddy White.  I'd love to have a young Roddy White on the team (who wasn't an idiot).

Serious question why do you think Dotson  has a higher upside then Funch and why do you think he is even close to KB??

[JawnyBlaze]

1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

Serious question why do you think Dotson  has a higher upside then Funch and why do you think he is even close to KB??

Because he has great hands, great timing on jump balls, excellent ability to track deep balls, athletic enough, sharp routes, the only thing he DOESN'T have is blazing speed but he's STILL faster than Funch or KB.  He's got better hands than either of them (kind of important for a WR), he runs better routes than either, better at tracking the deep ball than either (KB is solid at this, Funch was showing improvement at this but not up to par yet), better routes than either (KB's longleggedness hurts him in this aspect, Funch is not bad at this but still learning).  He's simply better at playing WR than either, but KB has the physicality that Doctson doesn't have so that's why I wouldn't put him over KB yet.

 

[WOW!!]

4 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Because he has great hands, great timing on jump balls, excellent ability to track deep balls, athletic enough, sharp routes, the only thing he DOESN'T have is blazing speed but he's STILL faster than Funch or KB.  He's got better hands than either of them (kind of important for a WR), he runs better routes than either, better at tracking the deep ball than either (KB is solid at this, Funch was showing improvement at this but not up to par yet), better routes than either (KB's longleggedness hurts him in this aspect, Funch is not bad at this but still learning).  He's simply better at playing WR than either, but KB has the physicality that Doctson doesn't have so that's why I wouldn't put him over KB yet.

 

You're saying alot of stuff that can be learned and schemed to look better..  

TCU offense has a lot of wide open windows for WR.. And teams rarely ever played press coverage against them.. So we don't really know if he's that much of a better route runner then either.. And getting off the JAM at the line might be a serious problem for him..

And he isn't that much faster then Funch (who out weights him by 20 pounds) ..

Plain and simple he doesn't have the physical size of the other 2 .. And while both of them can learn route running and develop better hands.. Dotson for sure won't be able to grow 6'5 or play with and look fluid at 232lb or 240lb as these guys do .. So no he doesn't have a higher upside then either..

[JawnyBlaze]

Just now, WOW!! said:

You're saying alot of stuff that can be learned and schemed to look better..  

TCU offense has a lot of wide open windows for WR.. And teams rarely ever played press coverage against them.. So we don't really know if he's that much of a better route runner then either.. And getting off the JAM at the line might be a serious problem for him..

And he isn't that much faster then Funch (who out weights him by 20 pounds) ..

Plain and simple he doesn't have the physical size of the other 2 .. And while both of them can learn route running and develop better hands.. Dotson for sure won't be able to grow 6'5 or play with and look fluid at 232lb or 240lb as these guys do .. So no he doesn't have a higher upside then either..

So you're saying that the only thing that determines "upside" is "upsize"?  Got it.

 

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[WOW!!]

2 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

So you're saying that the only thing that determines "upside" is "upsize"?  Got it.

 

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Physical ability..

Speed , size,  strength,  durability 

Determines upside..

The stuff you named can be learned or developed.. 

The stuff you can't teach determines upside. .

You can choose to work on your hands and route running. . You can't choose to be tall and run a 4.3 40ty

Reality is Hill has the most upside of any Wr on the roster because of the size and speed combination he naturally has..

[JawnyBlaze]

2 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Physical ability..

Speed , size,  strength,  durability 

Determines upside..

The stuff you named can be learned or developed.. 

The stuff you can't teach determines upside. .

You can choose to work on your hands and route running. . You can't choose to be tall and run a 4.3 40ty

Reality is Hill has the most upside of any Wr on the roster because of the size and speed combination he naturally has..

Receivers typically don't just learn to catch much better.  It's easier to train to run faster than it is to be able to catch the football in the live fire of a game.

If all that you've been saying is true, then we have one of the best WR's just languishing on our practice squad and we should have been playing Hill all along.  I mean he's tall and fast right?  He's gotta be amazing.  It's just that simple.

[WOW!!]

36 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Receivers typically don't just learn to catch much better.  It's easier to train to run faster than it is to be able to catch the football in the live fire of a game.

If all that you've been saying is true, then we have one of the best WR's just languishing on our practice squad and we should have been playing Hill all along.  I mean he's tall and fast right?  He's gotta be amazing.  It's just that simple.

1. A lot WR improve their hands you can develop that..

2. Upside is different then actually production. .

You do understand everything you say Dotson is hasn't been proven  right??  

Upside is a prediction. . You can say Dotson can do all this and that and he might not do anything at all..

[JawnyBlaze]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

1. A lot WR improve their hands you can develop that..

2. Upside is different then actually production. .

You do understand everything you say Dotson is hasn't been proven  right??  

Upside is a prediction. . You can say Dotson can do all this and that and he might not do anything at all..

Doctson is at neutral production.  Hill is at negative production.  Doctson hasn't had the opportunity to show what he can do, Hill has show he doesn't do anything.  Funchess has shown he isn't nearly there yet (hope he gets there). 

[JawnyBlaze]

Can Hill and Funchess become good WRs?  Sure, anything's possible.  But when a player like Hill has shown what he can do in the NFL and it's as far from impressive as he has been, it's a much larger hill to climb (pun intended) than what a rookie is starting at. 

[WOW!!]

2 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Can Hill and Funchess become good WRs?  Sure, anything's possible.  But when a player like Hill has shown what he can do in the NFL and it's as far from impressive as he has been, it's a much larger hill to climb (pun intended) than what a rookie is starting at. 

You want to make a point about Hill and all I was talking about is Upside..

I don't  care  if Hill makes it or not..

I just disagree with you about Dotson upside compare to bigger  players with similar speed.. like KB and Funch..

I don't think he is a better player then either and definitely don't think he has more upside..

This isn't about Hill at all..

To be honest I look at Dotson and see a lot of Lafell..