Non exclusive tag placed on Norman via J.person

[Carl Spackler]

the bruhs should sign bruh before another bruh come in and put bruh with his bruhs and bruh the bruh bruh bruh bruh bruh bruh bruh this isn't a big deal in the scheme of things bruh

[beckersteen]

The Browns should go ahead a skip their two first round QB busts and give us their picks :P

Jokes aside, this is a great move by Gman. He really knows what he is doing and proves it time and time again.

[firefox1234]

23 minutes ago, Jase said:

Lesson learned for Josh on all of this.  Imagine if he had signed his contract last year and lets say it was 4 years, 28 million spread evenly.

He would have gotten a nice bump in pay last year and already be under contract for this year.  So after this year, he'd have a little over $14 million in the bank with 2 years left on his contract.

Instead, he played for peanuts last year and gets the franchise tag this year.  How much will he have made during last year and this year?  A little over $14 million and no years left on his contract.  With his 30th birthday staring him in the face.

It's in his best interest to sign a long term deal before the summer deadline.  Stop throwing away money, Josh! I beg you.

This! He should have factored in that he would be pushing 30 this season and realized that it would be hard for him to get a big money long term deal from the Panthers, if his agent gave him that advice to wait I think that was poor judgement...

[Bartin]

26 minutes ago, Jase said:

Lesson learned for Josh on all of this.  Imagine if he had signed his contract last year and lets say it was 4 years, 28 million spread evenly.

He would have gotten a nice bump in pay last year and already be under contract for this year.  So after this year, he'd have a little over $14 million in the bank with 2 years left on his contract.

Instead, he played for peanuts last year and gets the franchise tag this year.  How much will he have made during last year and this year?  A little over $14 million and no years left on his contract.  With his 30th birthday staring him in the face.

It's in his best interest to sign a long term deal before the summer deadline.  Stop throwing away money, Josh! I beg you.

Then in 2017 he goes back to $7M per year and right now he is on track to make much more than that. Even if he took whatever initial low ball offer we have on the table right now, he would still make more money overall than if he took that deal last year.

He made the right decision.

[CPF4LIFE]

37 minutes ago, Jase said:

Lesson learned for Josh on all of this.  Imagine if he had signed his contract last year and lets say it was 4 years, 28 million spread evenly.

He would have gotten a nice bump in pay last year and already be under contract for this year.  So after this year, he'd have a little over $14 million in the bank with 2 years left on his contract.

Instead, he played for peanuts last year and gets the franchise tag this year.  How much will he have made during last year and this year?  A little over $14 million and no years left on his contract.  With his 30th birthday staring him in the face.

It's in his best interest to sign a long term deal before the summer deadline.  Stop throwing away money, Josh! I beg you.

LOOOOOOL......What???

[CPF4LIFE]

Hearing Fans reasons for why a player should sign to the team for cheap is absolutely hilarious.

[Jase]

15 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Then in 2017 he goes back to $7M per year and right now he is on track to make much more than that. Even if he took whatever initial low ball offer we have on the table right now, he would still make more money overall than if he took that deal last year.

He made the right decision.

He took on injury risk both last year and this coming year and he won't see any monetary advantage from it until 2 years from now at the earliest, when he's 30 and his chances at a 4+ year contract has sailed.  Sounds like a bad move to me.

In this league, if you want security (which he stated was his main goal) you've got to give a little bit up in the short term.

When you're offered a chance to lock in early, you take it.  For the reasons stated above.  He's thrown millions of career earning potential away.

[rodeo]

I would take 2 first round picks from a team like the Titans or Jags over Norman. I hope someone does it.

[Jmac]

1 minute ago, Jase said:

He took on injury risk both last year and this coming year and he won't see any monetary advantage from it until 2 years from now at the earliest, when he's 30 and his chances at a 4+ year contract has sailed.  Sounds like a bad move to me.

In this league, if you want security (which he stated was his main goal) you've got to give a little bit up in the short term.

When you're offered a chance to lock in early, you take it.  For the reasons stated above.  He's thrown millions of career earning potential away.

He still has until July 15th to sign a contract. Maybe a bit of poker here between Normans agent and D.G to see what offers come in. Could still sign by then and avoid the tag.

[Bartin]

8 minutes ago, Jase said:

He took on injury risk both last year and this coming year and he won't see any monetary advantage from it until 2 years from now at the earliest, when he's 30 and his chances at a 4+ year contract has sailed.  Sounds like a bad move to me.

In this league, if you want security (which he stated was his main goal) you've got to give a little bit up in the short term.

When you're offered a chance to lock in early, you take it.  For the reasons stated above.  He's thrown millions of career earning potential away.

That's not how this works. Until he actually gets injured he has thrown away absolutely nothing. He has only increased his potential earnings since last offseason when he was offered that contract. We also have no idea what the guarantees were in that contract. It almost certainly wasn't more than $14M.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Reports are that he's seeking $14+ million per year in a long term deal. I don't see any chance DG pays that much.

[Captain Morgan]

14 minutes ago, rodeo said:

I would take 2 first round picks from a team like the Titans or Jags over Norman. I hope someone does it.

has that ever happened?  even once?  cause I don't see a team giving up 2 1st's in order to pay one player a huge contract.

[d-dave]

2 minutes ago, Bartin said:

That's not how this works. Until he actually gets injured he has thrown away absolutely nothing. He has only increased his potential earnings since last offseason when he was offered that contract. We also have no idea what the guarantees were in that contract. It almost certainly wasn't more than $14M.

I will say, we don't know the exact terms of the contract last season.  Let's say for easy math it's $7 million a year.

2015 $7 million + 2016: $7 Million = $14 million, plus the next two years ($14 million) = $14 million / $28 Million in 2018

2015: $1.5 million + 2016: $14 million = $15.5 million (Plus nothing guaranteed past this season)

So he kind of broke even these past two years, I'm using easy numbers because I'm an idiot.  I just realized though the guaranteed money in a contract basically comes up front (or most of it).  So yes, in two years, he's lost a bit (from the signing bonus), BUT he stands to make so much more money as time goes on should he play at a high level and remain healthy.

He traded a smaller guaranteed amount for a possible huge pay increase.  You can't blame him.  If he does have a great, healthy year (assuming he doesn't sign a long term deal before July 15), his value only increases.

Josh should take what he can get, use the time to try to get something done, but he also has to realize that his chance at big money will be here compared to life as a 29 year old FA CB.

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

has that ever happened?  even once?  cause I don't see a team giving up 2 1st's in order to pay one player a huge contract.

Yes, and we were on the wrong end of it.

We have up two first rounders for Sean Gilbert.