Josh Norman Contract talks have stalled, bruh is getting the franchise tag.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Just now, top dawg said:

Perhaps not, but Norman will be made a solid multimillionaire by our GM this year. 

He should be set for life.  

[KB_fan]

1 minute ago, thennek said:

I am a Panthers fan over a fan of any one player.  If the Panthers don't want to over-pay for a player, I trust they know what is best for the organization.  I'd rather the Panthers continue to win.....year after year....than sign our favorite players to a contract that hurts the team long-term.

Well said.  That probably describes my attitude too, though a player like Josh with such a megawatt personality and a big playmaker makes watching the Panthers so much more fun & interesting, and it would be hard to see him go.  But, yeah, Gettleman was brought in to create a winning franchise, and given that we've not yet ever had back to back winning seasons, that's a goal we can't afford to forget by throwing money at favorite players.

Josh is great.  Hope Getts can negotiate a deal that doesn't sacrifice the long-term future of the team.  But if he can't I trust him to do what's best for the team.

[TheNewStandard]

13 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Josh bet on himself and hit the jackpot. He played his position very well this year. Have you even looked at the stats vs. him? As for not playing well , I don't know what you're talking about. No one can stop everything.

In regards to the 9 mil, you may think this, but unfortunately the people that know football won't. Even if you believe that Norman is suspect, his play since the second part of '14 says that he should get top five money.

Really, man, comparatively, Josh has been a beast for what he has brought to the table for the last season and a half. I doubt that there is anyone that we can get better.

We don't need anyone better. For the Love of God, we had the #1 offense in the league without KB. 

[uncfan888]

7 minutes ago, TheNewStandard said:

And neither should he. Any player willing to hold-up the progress of this organization is a cancer and we brought Coleman off the couch and he went plum-nuts gonzo while taking the shine off of the year J-No had...seriously, a guy off the couch.

You can't compare a safety to a corner..  Just stop.. 

And Coleman wasn't on the couch..  

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 minute ago, TheNewStandard said:

And neither should he. Any player willing to hold-up the progress of this organization is a cancer and we brought Coleman off the couch and he went plum-nuts gonzo while taking the shine off of the year J-No had...seriously, a guy off the couch.

Well built, solid teams don't require prima donnas to be competitive.  

In fact, I would submit they are better off without them. 

Norman is an outstanding DB, but much of his success is due to those around him.

I am not convinced he appreciates that as much as he should. 

[Bartin]

11 minutes ago, ctrcat said:

I agree but the tag could also be a precursor to a trade as well.  The Raiders ($60+ million) and Jaguars ($70+ million) have an ungodly amount of cap space and corner as their #1 listed need.  JNo was not a GMan pick and imho it's a "fluid" situation where I'm also neutral.  I want JNo back but the only long term guarantees on this team are Cam and Luke.  Getting nothing for him but one year at a high number is starting not to sit well with me either.

It would take at least a 1st to get him in a trade from us and Jags definitely won't give up the 5th pick for him and I'd be very surprised if the Raiders were willing to give up the 14th pick. I suppose they could wait until after the draft and send a 2017 1st but usually teams have their rosters pretty well set by then.

[ScreenPlay]

47 minutes ago, TheNewStandard said:

I'll almost guarantee you that he'll hold out. 

Just let his butt go. He's not exactly a saint in the locker-room and he is not worth a tag. 

If anyone should get a tag, it should be Tolbert (if Tolbert is indeed a free-agent and gets the FB designation rather than the RB distinction.) 

Josh isn't worth a penny over 9-million per and I think that's being generous considering how he ended the season compared to how he began.

I have questions about his motor and attitude but I don't blame him for trying to go out and get his...because this is his one shot to get a career deal.

 

[Zaximus]

I seriously hope Standard isn't serious with those posts.  Coleman was a good pickup, and had a lot of ints, but he also was out of position a lot.

I really think people are dismissing a top CB far too quick.   The ability to take a QB's #1 option away most of the time is invaluable.  

I don't blame Josh for wanting all he can get.  He could play the first play of the year and get hurt and never play again.   The Panthers had their chance to sign him before last season and they didn't offer enough.  Norman bet on himself and proved that he is, who he thinks he is.

And seriously questioning this guy in the locker room?  Did you see the videos of Norman being more upset about losing the SB than anyone else?  Just stop.

[top dawg]

10 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Well built, solid teams don't require prima donnas to be competitive.  

In fact, I would submit they are better off without them. 

Norman is an outstanding DB, but much of his success is due to those around him.

I am not convinced he appreciates that as much as he should. 

Much of any player's success is due to those around him. 

 

As for Josh being a cancer, that is poppycock. The business side of football is the business side of football. The future security of your family trumps everything. Owners look out for themselves, and players should look out for themselves. If you don't want holdouts, get rid of the tag altogether.

[Bronn]

I'm pretty sure I have been saying "work out a deal before the tag deadline, or tag him (without him signing the tender) and work on a deal later" for a while now... it isn't rocket surgery here... At this point, a tag is only further proof that we want him here, and it should earn us some time and credibility in any deal that is eventually reached.

[ctrcat]

4 minutes ago, Bartin said:

It would take at least a 1st to get him in a trade from us and Jags definitely won't give up the 5th pick for him and I'd be very surprised if the Raiders were willing to give up the 14th pick. I suppose they could wait until after the draft and send a 2017 1st but usually teams have their rosters pretty well set by then.

Certainly to get to 5 we'd have to include 30.  I find it unlikely, but not sure how GMan feels about the top of the board or how strongly he feels about wanting the extra cap space.  It takes two to tango, but if the Jags/Raiders truly want a sure thing in JNo and we truly would rather have the cap space, a trade could be massaged with an extra pick or player on either side(s).

[sharkkiller]

So let me get this straight. Josh Norman should be let go because they have not agreed on a contract? They have been negotiating for about a week now. Norman is one of the best corners in the league. Of course it will take some time to get together on a deal. But to say he is a cancer and a prima donna and the team should just let him go is absolute horse poo. 

first it is that Philly Brown sucks and should be cut, now it is Norma who should be let go. Should we just not sign Star because he didn't get enough sacks this past year. He must suck too. 

You would think that after an overall successful year, minus the one big win, that this type of crap would be less this year. But I guess not. You people amaze me. 

[therealmjl]

Lol at the people saying to just let one of the best players on our team go. Are you retarded?

[Bartin]

26 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

If next season Josh has another outstanding performance there is likely some GM out there that will pay him the big money.

Chances are DG isn't going to be that GM.  

Eh, I think DG just tags him again for $16.8M. I mean I'd sign Josh today to a 2 year/$31M deal which is basically what that would be. Of course, at that point you really risk pissing him off and him holding out while occupying that space on the cap so it's not without risk.