Panthers Going After Derrick Henry in the Draft?? Please let It Be So

[WOW!!]

2 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Still believe it's stupid to waste a 1st rounder on a RB 

Yeah totally agree..

3 to 5 years shelf life..

You never want to give them a 2nd contract..

Even the best ones don't effect W-L record in the playoffs that much..

You build a good Oline and get a RB later in my opinion. . Especially when you have Cam

[tondi]

I agree that unless you are talking about an all time type talent, using a 1st round pick on a RB doesn't make a whole lot of sense these days.  When you factor in our already crowded backfield I can't really see us drafting a 1st round RB just to give him a handful of carries a game. 

[Hoenheim]

Since the panthers just resigned Tolbert, that means we have Stewart, Tolbert , Artis-Payne, and Fozzy .. I think there's an extremely low chance we get Henry now that we already have 4 RBs. 

 

If Tolbert went elsewhere I would've said there's a decent chance we pick up Henry if he was there at the end of the first 

Unless either one or somehow both Artis Payne and Fozzy get cut I don't see the Henry pick happening. Although I personally still wouldnt mind the pick, br curious to see CAP and Henry develop into our running backs of the future 

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

What if QB or MLB is the best player available? ?

I think that thinking is just a media driven idea.  BPA to a team at that time is more my thinking.. 

As for QBs, if that player is the BPA, then he will likely be gone in the top 5 picks. Drafting QBs is such a crap shoot, I doubt that you'll see a team with an established franchise QB ever take the chance on such an iffy proposition by its very nature. So people love to ask that question, but in reality the likelihood of that happening is nil.  

As for a linebacker, I absolutely believe that Gettleman would pull the trigger on one if said linebacker was the BPA in his mind. I believe that you really can't assume that just because a player plays MLB in college that he will play MLB in the pros. Gettleman loves himself some smart, athletic LBs, and for the last two drafts people probably would have sworn that he wouldn't take any, but that's exactly  what he did (with a first round pick, no less). 

You become more competitive by adding quality personnel regardless of the position, not by half-stepping because you feel the pressure of drafting a player based upon need when they clearly don't have the upside of someone else.  Worse come to worse, you can always parlay quality picks into trades for players with similar upside at their respective positions---of need---or draft picks if you deem it necessary. 

[t96]

5 hours ago, WOW!! said:

What if QB or MLB is the best player available? ?

I think that thinking is just a media driven idea.  BPA to a team at that time is more my thinking.. 

QB and MLB (in a 4-3) are positions that are on the field 100% of the time when healthy, and we happen to have the best in the entire league at each position and with both locked up for the next 5 years or so, it won't become a need any time soon. There aren't really many other positions that you can only one of helping the team at a time. You can have 2 or more RBs, WRs, TEs, o-linemen (not center obviously but many centers can play guard), DE, DT, OLB, CB, S. BPA in DG's case is very real. If the best player on the board is a RB, we're taking him. If it's Ryan Kelly (center), we're taking him. If it's a DT, yes, we're taking him. Pretty much any position that's not a need 1 year could easily be a need in 2 years. QB and MLB (4-3) happen to be exceptions to that if you have very good ones signed in the long term like we do. I wouldn't even rule out an OLB as our first rounder. Highly unlikely in my opinion, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out. MLB and QB I would but not any other position no matter how strong.

[jumpman910]

1 hour ago, thomas96 said:

QB and MLB (in a 4-3) are positions that are on the field 100% of the time when healthy, and we happen to have the best in the entire league at each position and with both locked up for the next 5 years or so, it won't become a need any time soon. There aren't really many other positions that you can only one of helping the team at a time. You can have 2 or more RBs, WRs, TEs, o-linemen (not center obviously but many centers can play guard), DE, DT, OLB, CB, S. BPA in DG's case is very real. If the best player on the board is a RB, we're taking him. If it's Ryan Kelly (center), we're taking him. If it's a DT, yes, we're taking him. Pretty much any position that's not a need 1 year could easily be a need in 2 years. QB and MLB (4-3) happen to be exceptions to that if you have very good ones signed in the long term like we do. I wouldn't even rule out an OLB as our first rounder. Highly unlikely in my opinion, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out. MLB and QB I would but not any other position no matter how strong.

This is what some people are missing, you aren't drafting for next season.  Yes you want them to contribute as soon as possible but you have to look down the road some. Until Dave drafts a first round bust I'm riding with him. 

[WOW!!]

12 hours ago, top dawg said:

As for QBs, if that player is the BPA, then he will likely be gone in the top 5 picks. Drafting QBs is such a crap shoot, I doubt that you'll see a team with an established franchise QB ever take the chance on such an iffy proposition by its very nature. So people love to ask that question, but in reality the likelihood of that happening is nil.  

As for a linebacker, I absolutely believe that Gettleman would pull the trigger on one if said linebacker was the BPA in his mind. I believe that you really can't assume that just because a player plays MLB in college that he will play MLB in the pros. Gettleman loves himself some smart, athletic LBs, and for the last two drafts people probably would have sworn that he wouldn't take any, but that's exactly  what he did (with a first round pick, no less). 

You become more competitive by adding quality personnel regardless of the position, not by half-stepping because you feel the pressure of drafting a player based upon need when they clearly don't have the upside of someone else.  Worse come to worse, you can always parlay quality picks into trades for players with similar upside at their respective positions---of need---or draft picks if you deem it necessary. 

I get this.. But position value is also a factor. . And in a passing league RB'S aren't 1st round value anymore..

[WOW!!]

9 hours ago, thomas96 said:

QB and MLB (in a 4-3) are positions that are on the field 100% of the time when healthy, and we happen to have the best in the entire league at each position and with both locked up for the next 5 years or so, it won't become a need any time soon. There aren't really many other positions that you can only one of helping the team at a time. You can have 2 or more RBs, WRs, TEs, o-linemen (not center obviously but many centers can play guard), DE, DT, OLB, CB, S. BPA in DG's case is very real. If the best player on the board is a RB, we're taking him. If it's Ryan Kelly (center), we're taking him. If it's a DT, yes, we're taking him. Pretty much any position that's not a need 1 year could easily be a need in 2 years. QB and MLB (4-3) happen to be exceptions to that if you have very good ones signed in the long term like we do. I wouldn't even rule out an OLB as our first rounder. Highly unlikely in my opinion, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out. MLB and QB I would but not any other position no matter how strong.

Position value is also a factor and RB'S in the 1st or 2nd round are bad value now.. You can find top talent at that position in later rounds.. You waste a lesser value position on a high valued pick.. RB'S especially for this team are not as valuable to us..

[ncsfinest21]

We were a offensive line away from winning a championship. Lets build this oline and draft a RB next year. Cut Stew next year add some cap money, Norman may be gone too. Draft RB and A CB and get KB under contract. Thats how I see the next couple years panning out

[MadHatter]

I think Henry will be the next Alabama RB to NOT live up to expectations in the NFL.  I would HATE it if he were our first round pick.  He is not anything like Todd Gurley.

[ctrcat]

1 minute ago, MadHatter said:

I think Henry will be the next Alabama RB to NOT live up to expectations in the NFL.  I would HATE it if he were our first round pick.  He is not anything like Todd Gurley.

Gurley was a top 10 pick.  We won't be picking in the top 10 for a LONG time.  Henry has rare, Von Milleresque traits of his own.  I think he'd thrive in our system.  Considering how rare his measurables are (not to mention production, character, etc.), I'd be game.

[ctrcat]

10 minutes ago, ncsfinest21 said:

We were a offensive line away from winning a championship. Lets build this oline and draft a RB next year. Cut Stew next year add some cap money, Norman may be gone too. Draft RB and A CB and get KB under contract. Thats how I see the next couple years panning out

Not necessarily true.  If we had a RB that could help block (like Henry can), after Stew went out, we likely win the game.

[ctrcat]

On March 11, 2016 at 7:19 PM, tondi said:

I agree that unless you are talking about an all time type talent, using a 1st round pick on a RB doesn't make a whole lot of sense these days.  When you factor in our already crowded backfield I can't really see us drafting a 1st round RB just to give him a handful of carries a game. 

"these days" doesn't apply to us.  We ran the ball over 51% of the time.

[Diehardpanther02]

Why is everyone doubting henry because trent richardson is garbage? What does that have to do with henry?