REPORT: Charles Johnson, take pay cut or be cut

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

his legacy here is an interesting one.  when you think about where we are now and the sequence of events that led us here, hurney's post 2010-spending spree really was pivotal in that for better or for worse.  if there were maybe one or two bad trades that didn't happen or if one of his monster contract extensions didn't get done he might actually still be the GM today. 

yes charles johnson's cap hit was cumbersome but that monster contract did keep him out of atlanta at a time when one above average pass rusher just might have earned the falcons a lombardi trophy and rendered us the philadelphia eagles of the NFC south.  so there's that.

[Woodie]

13 hours ago, Riverboat Ron said:

Said it a while back, Big Money will say screw you to Gentleman, get his money from being cut and sign a juicy contact even with his bad performance. Teams have money to spare.

He doesn't get any money for getting cut.  If we cut him, he loses his entire base salary of just under 11 million.  He's already received the extra 4 million in his cap figure, they just spread it over the life of the contract for cap purposes.    

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

7 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Also, where is this talk about players hating management coming from? They all seem to get along just fine.

many of the fan favorites who were either drafted and developed in the hurney ecosystem and/or got massive guaranteed money from him hadn't really been exposed to the "business" side of the NFL when hurricane dave made landfall.  so they were salty as hell and took to the media to proclaim it. that lead to certain fans claiming in 2013/14 that nobody of note would want to come here in free agency or sign long term extensions because our GM operated more like a mafia capo who was willing to cut throats for a buck than his predecessor. 

some fans are still struggling with the concept that that can actually be a winning approach in the NFL.

[Woodie]

I don't know that it is a foregone conclusion that he refuses a pay cut.  It will come down to pride (is he willing to accept the idea of a pay cut) and what his agents deem his market value to be.  If they see his value significantly higher than what Gettleman offers, then he likely will refuse a cut.  However, if they are in the same ballpark then there's a good chance he accepts it.     

[Woodie]

4 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

many of the fan favorites who were either drafted and developed in the hurney ecosystem and/or got massive guaranteed money from him hadn't really been exposed to the "business" side of the NFL when hurricane dave made landfall.  so they were salty as hell and took to the media to proclaim it. that lead to certain fans claiming in 2013/14 that nobody of note would want to come here in free agency or sign long term extensions because our GM operated more like a mafia capo who was willing to cut throats for a buck than his predecessor. 

some fans are still struggling with the concept that that can actually be a winning approach in the NFL.

It was mainly Smitty who was salty over his release, and then Gross said he didn't like Gettleman at first because of the business side, but changed his mind once he got to know him.  I think some fans took that to mean more than it did.  Like you said, Gettleman came in and changed the way we did business, and it was shocking for some of the long-time Panthers.  From what I understand, though, most love Gettleman now that they understand him...however, I could see Norman not being too pleased with him if he is forced to play the year under the franchise tag.   

[pantherj]

4 hours ago, Cuttinedge said:

He's in the restaurant business now.  Been a lot of rich people go broke in that industry. 

What a terrible business. I think Dan Morgan lost a lot with Cheesy Mods or whatever it was called, but I don't know.

[Mr. Scot]

4 hours ago, imminent rogaine said:

Current players hating DG is retarded.  They are on this team because of him and the team is good because of him. If it's Teddy Williams types their ass could be on a couch somewhere. If it's establish vets, their ass could be on the Raiders or the Titans. 

The source reporting that is not someone who can be considered reliable in any way whatsoever.

(Translation: It's made up bulls--t from one of our resident dumbasses)

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, thebigcat said:

Very few athlete owned restaurants succeed. If anything their best served buying into a restaurant franchise and keeping their returns safe. Morgan lost a boatload off Cheese Mo's and Sweet T

http://www.ziggieandmaddogs.com/

 

One of my favorite "athlete owned" places.

[panthers1234]

14 hours ago, CatMan72 said:

Not sure what they mean by a "pay cut" but he's been willing to restructure several times, don't see why he wouldn't be willing to do it again. 

Restructure basically means you move the dead money into the future. Like a credit card your going to be paying for the restructure down the line. Pay cut means you flat out save cap money. CJ has cap hit of 15mil and you add 2 years to his contract at 7.5mil per season. Thats 10mil in cap space for the next 3 seasons. Sure it looks great on paper for year one, you drop his cap from 15 to 10 but then you got that 10 and 10 the following years. 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

37 minutes ago, pantherj said:

What a terrible business. I think Dan Morgan lost a lot with Cheesy Mods or whatever it was called, but I don't know.

yeah dan morgan's place shut down.  i never went but based on reports from here it seemed like a success from all outward appearances which further illustrates how treacherous that industry can be.

that's a tough-ass business with a lot of things working against even someone with a lot of money to throw around.  i think it was steve smith who said that more money doesn't insulate you from making mistakes so much as it makes it easier to make even bigger ones.

[TheSpecialJuan]

5 hours ago, Hammerin'Cameron34 said:

If he goes to Atlanta .. Hageman, Beasley, Johnson .. decent rotation

Hageman is a bust. Not even Bryan Cox could motivate him.

[CPantherKing]

3 hours ago, Hammerin'Cameron34 said:

Why is it so hard for everyone to believe CJ may take a pay cut

I guess we will see soon if he cares more about dollars or rings, so close to the ring here, how could he just jump ship now

Three of the last 5 Super Bowl winning teams have had former Panthers vets as key contributors in their starting lineups - Evan Mathis, Brandon LaFell, and Deon Grant. So, going after the money seems to have given them a better chance at a ring too.

In the two Super Bowls the Panthers have reached, former Panthers players that were considered not valuable enough to the team are the ones that walked away with the rings - Tyrone Poole and Evan Mathis.

[NJPanthers12]

23 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Three of the last 5 Super Bowl winning teams have had former Panthers vets as key contributors in their starting lineups - Evan Mathis, Brandon LaFell, and Deon Grant. So, going after the money seems to have given them a better chance at a ring too.

In the two Super Bowls the Panthers have reached, former Panthers players that were considered not valuable enough to the team are the ones that walked away with the rings - Tyrone Poole and Evan Mathis.

I am very aware you have an agenda against Gettleman, but this post is extremely flawed. The Panthers started this run over the last 3 years since Gettleman took over. He was not responsible for Mathis, Grant, and Poole. The only player he let walk was LaFell who went and signed with the most successful team in the league since 2000. If you thinkTyrone Poole was the reason a team won the Super Bowl, then you are lost on the subject of football. To compare players walking away from the Panthers 5 years ago to now is ridiculous. It is a completely different situation.

Also, your previous post about players not wanting to be in the same room at Gettleman is complete BS. But as usual you make a ridiculous claims and then ignore all follow up interactions. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

Cut his ass