NFL Turning Point: The Clete Blakeman Effect

[TheRed]

4 minutes ago, letsgobroncos said:

Haha. You're wrong and I'll leave it at that. Was just interested in what you were all saying about the game and when I saw this had to respond with some other facts (not opinion).

 

Good luck next year.

Oh yeah? We've already had one "Broncos fan from North Carolina" here, we don't need anymore.

If my team won the Super Bowl, the last thing I would be doing is spending my week lurking around the Broncos forums like a dork.

I would be out celebrating, and there would be much alcohol consumed. Instead you're busy beating your nutsack against your keyboard running your mouth trying desperately to validate yourself about a victory you weren't even remotely apart of.

[Castavar]

You know you have no life when your favorite team wins the superbowl.....................AND YOU STILL have to go to an opposing fan forum to make you feel good about yourself. That is high level douchbaggery. That means your real life is just terrible when you can't even enjoy a superbowl win in your own team's environment. I get it though, you win the superbowl and you STILL aren't the main topic. Shows how irrelevant the Broncos are.

[Castavar]

3 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Oh yeah? We've already had one "Broncos fan from North Carolina" here, we don't need anymore.

If my team won the Super Bowl, the last thing I would be doing is spending my week lurking around the Broncos forums like a dork.

I would be out celebrating, and there would be much alcohol consumed. Instead you're busy beating your nutsack against your keyboard running your mouth trying desperately to validate yourself about a victory you weren't even remotely apart of.

He claims he was "just interested in what we had to say about the game". If that isn't pathetic and desperate, then I don't know what is. If the Panthers had won, I wouldn't be on ONE forum all week as I would be at parties all week and drunk out of my mind. I wouldn't even pay attention to them, if their lives are that pathetic that the only highlights of their lives is basking in the "saltiness" of another fanbase forum, then I feel sorry for them.

[Castavar]

Just now, Frankie said:

And now instead of actually discussing the game, we get amateur psychoanalysis.  Thanks Dr Phil, how much do I owe you?

The truth is I go on opposing forums all the time just to see what people are saying, because good or bad I enjoy reading it and it's good to see it from another perspective, and 99.9% of the time never register or say anything.  The only reason I did this time is because of all the things being said that are literally lies. That 18/18 thing is literally a lie. Numerous examples of why it's a lie have already been pointed out, but you don't want to look at them, talk about them, or acknowledge them. 

 

How come?  Insecure?

Who's the real insecure one...........Panther fans pointed out VERY questionable calls all game to the point where even other fans around the NFL are chiming in saying "something doesn't feel right", or the fan of a superbowl winning team having to gloat about a win on another team's forum instead of celebrating with their friends and enjoying the win?

[heelinfine]

15 minutes ago, letsgobroncos said:

Wow. Never seen fans pretend the refs had such a huge impact on game when they didn't like this in my life. Did we get a couple calls? Ya. Did Carolina? Ya. None were awful game changing calls. We could both bicker about a call here ore there. You guys are nuts if you actually think that had anything to do with the outcome of the game.

Went back and watched the game last night finally. Up until the midway point of the third quarter Carolina had gotten most of the calls.
Off the top of my head:

1. Ridiculous to call unsportsmanlike on Talib for simply jawing back and forth when it is about to be 4th and 25 in a Super Bowl!! That is a game changing call.

2. Newton slides for a "first down." He started his slide two yards short of it, would have been 3rd and 2 instead.

3. Grounding by Newton not called

4. Grounding by Newton not called again

5. Clearly kick catch interference on Norwood on the big punt return. If called it would have been half the distance to the goal and we would have had it on the 7.

6. Whitaker runs for a "first down." He was a yard short and after the play they called Carolina for an unnecessary roughness. Moved them back 15 yards but since they gave them the first down it was 1st and ten. Should have been 2nd and 16

7. No specific play to mention but I saw AT LEAST 3 times Miller and Ware were held and it wasn't called. That's only what I saw.

8. Again, no specific play to reference but I saw several false starts by Carolina that weren't called.

I actually think overall you guys got more calls than we did. Certainly it wasn't one-sided like you are making it out to be. Disappointing to see this.

The CATCH by Cotchery and the ensuing blow to Newtons head strip sack td was definently a game changing play. That play alone was enough to question the officials integrity.

Cam was outside the pocket and and threw past LOS. No grounding.

The kick interference would to had been declined for the resulting return to stand.

There was 0 "game changing" momentum busting bad or no calls on Denver. There were many such calls against Carolina.

[broncsfan81]

I'm a life long Denver fan who also roots for the Panthers because I live in the triangle. As for the calls, the only one that I think was sketchy was the Cotchery catch. I did think that that was a catch but it was close. From an NFL perspective, they are trying to make Cam Newton the face of the NFL to appeal to a broader swath of the country and it would probably have served them better to have Cam Newton and the Panthers win. Manning is old and will be forgotten about next year. Cam is new and different so the story line would have been much more interesting. Think about it, we've talked more about Cam Newton and that interview over the past couple days than Peyton Manning, that should tell you something. The reason the Panther's lost is not because of the officials. It's all about match ups and strengths vs. weaknesses. I don't even think they played a bad game. It's just sometimes certain teams have your number and you don't match up well with them. You guys have a stellar defense but it didn't much matter b/c Denver never really depended on it's offense so that was a wash. Your offense is high powered and depends on the run to set up the passing game. The run got stuffed an your receiving core did not match up well with Denver's secondary and your offensive line could not protect Cam which completely threw off his rhythm. All of Carolina's strengths offensively were neutralized. That's what it comes down too. Nothing more nothing less.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Is Tom Brady planning on retiring after next season? Because we might as well forget about this upcoming season if that's the case.

[rayzor]

"Oh no!!!!! Someone on an opposing team's message board is saying things I think are wrong!!! I MUST correct this injustice!!!!!! "

Lol I'm getting an itchy trigger finger.

[rodeo]

38 minutes ago, Frankie said:

The call against Talib that gave them a first, when the guy was running his mouth on the Denver sideline and actually hit Talib in the head?

 

 

You can't take your helmet off to talk poo. That wasn't a bad call.

[BigKing]

That long post about each "bad call" adds a lot of plays that were just plays and not actually worthy of a call.  It also ignores actual penalties not called against the Panthers but states "there were no bad or missed calls against Denver" which is false as holding could have been called multiple times on the Carolina tackles.  There is legit beef to be had here, but a lot of those "incidents" are a stretch.  You can call a penalty on every play pretty much if you follow the exact letter of the law/rule book.

The refs were biased, no doubt, but the Panthers still played horribly.  This shouldn't be surprising though: there is almost always a ref bias in every sport where the marquee teams get calls others don't.  It sucks but everyone knew--or should of known--that the refs were going to be a problem and they'd have to play well enough to overcome it.  Going in to the game, my only concerns were the refs and the possibility of defensive TDs for Denver.

This is in no way unprecedented either.  Seattle got completely fugged over in the Super Bowl against Pittsburgh as there was no way Bettis wasn't leaving with a ring in his last game and in his hometown, plus it was smaller market v. one of the NFL elite.

You can't drop easy catches.  You can't be 300 pounds and fumble when running over a safety. You definitely can't do it when you are fighting the zebras as well.

My hope is that the players take full responsibility for the loss and don't get caught up in the ref complaints that we've been harping on since Sunday; however, I'd like them to know that the league fugged with them and use it as further motivation to beat everyone by 20 next season and not allow the refs to ever be much of a factor.

[rayzor]

I guess it must be frustrating. Before the Superbowl nobody was talking about them or giving them much love or credit because all the attention was on the panthers and then you win and still nobody is talking about them, showing them any love or giving them any credit.

It must be because not only is your team incredibly boring and will be all but forgotten next year, but because everyone knows that you guys wouldn't have win were it not for help from the refs. 

Suck it up, buttercups. Go back to your own little fan forum and keep on whining about the disrespect you're getting. You have the Lombardi. Just be happy with that. And that goes for those lurkers that monsta and I flagged as spammers for running in here and trying to talk trash after the win. I see you guys ha-ha. BTW, thanks for the dollar you donated to St Judes..

[CarolinaSamurai]

39 minutes ago, Frankie said:

The call against Talib that gave them a first, when the guy was running his mouth on the Denver sideline and actually hit Talib in the head?

 

 

Answer me this. How many calls did the Broncos get in the 2nd half? OK now how many call did Carolina get? Now how about the entire game? 

OK from there lets say it was fair you would expect about  50/50 calls for both sides. At least close to it. 

OK now tell me which team had the most penalties all year, and which had the least out of both teams. You would expect that to also carry over into the game since you rarely see a team get penalized less or more than they usually do all season. 

Can you then make any correlations from these numbers? Please research this and show me the data. 

[Zaximus]

9 minutes ago, BigKing said:

That long post about each "bad call" adds a lot of plays that were just plays and not actually worthy of a call.  It also ignores actual penalties not called against the Panthers but states "there were no bad or missed calls against Denver" which is false as holding could have been called multiple times on the Carolina tackles.  There is legit beef to be had here, but a lot of those "incidents" are a stretch.  You can call a penalty on every play pretty much if you follow the exact letter of the law/rule book.

The refs were biased, no doubt, but the Panthers still played horribly.  This shouldn't be surprising though: there is almost always a ref bias in every sport where the marquee teams get calls others don't.  It sucks but everyone knew--or should of known--that the refs were going to be a problem and they'd have to play well enough to overcome it.  Going in to the game, my only concerns were the refs and the possibility of defensive TDs for Denver.

This is in no way unprecedented either.  Seattle got completely fugged over in the Super Bowl against Pittsburgh as there was no way Bettis wasn't leaving with a ring in his last game and in his hometown, plus it was smaller market v. one of the NFL elite.

You can't drop easy catches.  You can't be 300 pounds and fumble when running over a safety. You definitely can't do it when you are fighting the zebras as well.

My hope is that the players take full responsibility for the loss and don't get caught up in the ref complaints that we've been harping on since Sunday; however, I'd like them to know that the league fugged with them and use it as further motivation to beat everyone by 20 next season and not allow the refs to ever be much of a factor.

1) He left out judgement calls.  Which is PIs or holding.  The list would be longer if not.  Your team was holding each play as well.  Most teams do.  It has and always will be a judgement call.

2) Denver offense played just as bad, or worse, than ours.  If you didn't have the help of terrible calls all game, the game would have probably been dead even.   When you get an early score in a defensive game that shouldn't have even happened, it lets you play differently and have momentum and better options for strategy.

 

I say it was a good 60% bad play and 40% refs.  We had to play perfect to beat two teams.  We didn't.   Broncos if they lost, would have been 100% bad play.  

[Lilsmitty09]

Jesus. After watching the entire Inside The Nfl and the MIC'd up, what a fuggin joke. The TD after the "non catch" was hands literally right to cams face, the offsides, the batted ball. Robbed. I'll never get over this. After such an amazing year...only to be beaten by a fuggin handful of bad calls to a great Denver D and a crappy Denver O...smh..