NFL Turning Point: The Clete Blakeman Effect

[broncsfan81]

It's a match up problem for Cam and Denver's defense. I was as the game in Charlotte two years ago and Von Miller ate Cam's lunch .At times it was like watching the same game.  Of course we had an offense back then so the game wasn't close. You guys beat up on Seattle this year but I don't think we would have been able to beat Seattle just because of how the teams stack up. Face it guys, this was just a bad match up for Carolina and the fact that nobody paid enough attention to the x's and o's of this is what amazes me. You guys were talking about parades and how big of a blow it would be and I was like wtf. I'm not gonna talk ish though because I do like the Panthers and I am a tarheel.

[CATATTACK03]

The awkward exchange when the ref explains the Cotchery non-catch logic

"Many Panthers fans felt like they got a raw deal. They won't feel any better after watching Inside the NFL with a mic'd up Ron Rivera and Clete Blakeman conversation where the Panthers coach is told by the official if the play had been ruled complete in the first place it wouldn't have been overturned to incomplete. 

 

"There was not enough confirmation ..."

RR: "That's the problem with there's not enough confirmation, he had his hand under the ball."

CB: "We couldn't overturn it because ..."

RR: "Right -- if we had called it complete it'd stay complete right?"

CB: "Yes."

So like many have said..CATCH.

[Thanatos]

Can we seriously get over this already? The ball hits the ground. RR is wrong. 2nd frame.

[OneBadCat]

The sad thing is that the refs cheated us out of the game and we still should have won. If our WRs caught the fugging ball we would have won. Better team lost. No doubt about that though.

[PhillyB]

the cotch play no longer bothers me. it sucks but them's the ropes. he should've caught it.

i am bothered by the offsides on the field goal and the no-call on von miller's illegal bat that would've set the number one offense with a shot to win the game on the final drive like it had countless times during the season. 

you should never leave the game in the hands of the judges, but sometimes that's just how it ends up, and the judges have to make those calls. i don't buy into the conspiracies, but i do buy into the criticism that clete blakeman needs to be made a eunuch asap

[Thanatos]

5 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

the cotch play no longer bothers me. it sucks but them's the ropes. he should've caught it.

i am bothered by the offsides on the field goal and the no-call on von miller's illegal bat that would've set the number one offense with a shot to win the game on the final drive like it had countless times during the season. 

you should never leave the game in the hands of the judges, but sometimes that's just how it ends up, and the judges have to make those calls. i don't buy into the conspiracies, but i do buy into the criticism that clete blakeman needs to be made a eunuch asap

How many times has an illegal bat been called when players are scrumming for the ball? No one is going to call that. I've personally never once seen it called in that situation and the only time I've seen it called period was during a Pittsburgh/GB game where I felt it was the wrong call.

How about we should have not continually left Remmers one on one with Von Miller after Miller had already strip sacked Cam once?

[rodeo]

1 hour ago, Thanatos said:

How many times has an illegal bat been called when players are scrumming for the ball? No one is going to call that. I've personally never once seen it called in that situation and the only time I've seen it called period was during a Pittsburgh/GB game where I felt it was the wrong call.

How about we should have not continually left Remmers one on one with Von Miller after Miller had already strip sacked Cam once?

The strip sack was also a major uncalled penalty.

[CPantherKing]

4 hours ago, Thanatos said:

Can we seriously get over this already? The ball hits the ground. RR is wrong. 2nd frame.

You realize Cotchery has an index finger and thumb on his right hand?

So, if you do not see them in the 2nd frame, then where do you think they are?

We know his thumb was on the tip of the ball right before impact of the ground from a frame already posted from a different angle. We also know his index finger is between the middle finger, which is seen in frame 1 as the visible finger closest to the tip of the ball, and his thumb, which is on the tip of the ball right before impact.

Where do these fingers go? Into the grass. In your third frame you can see the white part of his glove on his index finger at the tip of the ball. If you go to the frame between the 2nd and 3rd frame you posted you would see this.

That is Cotchery's finger under the tip of the ball as it comes out of the grass.

So, we know a part of Cotchery's hand was under the tip of the ball when his hand impacted the ground. Therefore the tip of the ball could not have impacted the ground.

The 3rd frame you show is after he has pushed on the ball with his elbow which dislodges it turning the seam of the ball to make it visible from this angle.

Cotchery had the tip of the ball covered, and that is all the official had to know to rule this a catch. They usually get this right looking to see if the tip of the ball is covered before and after the catch from multiple angles. The replay booth (where Dean Blandino was for the game) and Clete Blakeman refuse to acknowledge the video proof that the tip of the ball was covered up before and after contact with the ground.

[Thanatos]

2 hours ago, rodeo said:

The strip sack was also a major uncalled penalty.

All technically penalties, yes. Hitting the head of the QB is technically a penalty, but it was still bad on Carolina to let him get that free that fast. 

Are we really blaming the refs for this one? They may have made some bad calls, but we played like hot poo. 

[Thanatos]

39 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

You realize Cotchery has an index finger and thumb on his right hand?

So, if you do not see them in the 2nd frame, then where do you think they are?

We know his thumb was on the tip of the ball right before impact of the ground from a frame already posted from a different angle. We also know his index finger is between the middle finger, which is seen in frame 1 as the visible finger closest to the tip of the ball, and his thumb, which is on the tip of the ball right before impact.

Where do these fingers go? Into the grass. In your third frame you can see the white part of his glove on his index finger at the tip of the ball. If you go to the frame between the 2nd and 3rd frame you posted you would see this.

That is Cotchery's finger under the tip of the ball as it comes out of the grass.

So, we know a part of Cotchery's hand was under the tip of the ball when his hand impacted the ground. Therefore the tip of the ball could not have impacted the ground.

The 3rd frame you show is after he has pushed on the ball with his elbow which dislodges it turning the seam of the ball to make it visible from this angle.

Cotchery had the tip of the ball covered, and that is all the official had to know to rule this a catch. They usually get this right looking to see if the tip of the ball is covered before and after the catch from multiple angles. The replay booth (where Dean Blandino was for the game) and Clete Blakeman refuse to acknowledge the video proof that the tip of the ball was covered up before and after contact with the ground.

The ball sure as hell looks to be on the ground to me. There is no black visible between the brown and the green. His finger could just as easily be behind the ball. Regardless of whether or not its underneath it, it looks like it hits the ground, it moves as it hits the ground- refs gonna call that no catch every time. If Cotchery just catches the football when it hits him square in the hands, instead of juggling it into the air, its first and ten Panthers at the 40.

[Thanatos]

2 hours ago, Kuechly59 said:

How is it acceptable to not enforce the rules of the game? 

The issue is whining about a technicality when it is *never* called and when I guarantee you no Panthers player is going to blame an illegal bat of the ball for Denver recovering that fumble.

[crushcard1976]

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/exgiants-head-coach-jim-fassel-panthers-lost-due-to-cam-newtons-shoes-395034.html this dinosaur thinks we lost because Cams shoes he wore

[Kuhndog94]

7 hours ago, Thanatos said:

All technically penalties, yes. Hitting the head of the QB is technically a penalty, but it was still bad on Carolina to let him get that free that fast. 

Are we really blaming the refs for this one? They may have made some bad calls, but we played like hot poo. 

Yeah!!

The refs only missed the offsides on our missed field goal, missed the helmet to helmet hit on Cam on the first strip sack, ignored the fact that Von Miller batted the ball on the 2nd strip sack, picked up a defensive holding penalty on the Broncos, and ruled a catch incomplete, despite having video evidence that it was a completion. 

I mean you guys can't really expect them to be perfect! They only screwed up every crucial part of the game. 

TECHNICALLY they were penalties, but who really calls penalties anymore? 

[GetRealPlease]

7 hours ago, Kuhndog94 said:

Yeah!!

The refs only missed the offsides on our missed field goal, missed the helmet to helmet hit on Cam on the first strip sack, ignored the fact that Von Miller batted the ball on the 2nd strip sack, picked up a defensive holding penalty on the Broncos, and ruled a catch incomplete, despite having video evidence that it was a completion. 

I mean you guys can't really expect them to be perfect! They only screwed up every crucial part of the game. 

TECHNICALLY they were penalties, but who really calls penalties anymore? 

There was no helmet to helmet hit, the complaint is Von's hand hit Cam in the head.  It's not a bat if the player is trying to pick it up and fails.  The catch was a judgement call and lacked the video evidence to overturn the call on the field.  

The offside on the field goal you are 100% wrong about, no judgement call.  Here is frame by frame evidence that, although he timed it as close as you can get, Talib was never actually offside.