Bill Voth: "Panthers Are Allowing Cam To Look Like A Baby."

[Jangler]

Just wondering when it's okay to stop pouting. 6? 16? 26? 

Now dont get me wrong, I don't have problem with how Cam handled the press conference. 

But...how much to you take before enough is enough of the baby attitude?

Because there will become a time where the immature bullsh!t has to stop. You have to treat other people around you with some kind of maturity and respect. 

I did a lot of immature bs in my life that did not help with friends , family and work. Lot of missed opportunities...

TBH, hopefully this is the last time we see this. 

 

[Jackofalltrades]

Voth nailed it, IMO.

[Bartin]

1 hour ago, Cookie Lyon said:

 

I listened to his interview as well and you're right that the article does encompass almost word for word what he says about Cam.

Also, why would Cam have a relationship with the media after they criticized him since he was in college? 

Voth acts like Cam is suppose to bow down to media.

Devil's advocate here, but it's the difference between Brady and Manning. Brady does not have a good relationship with the media and he got killed from day 1 about the deflategate stuff. Manning has a very good relationship with the media and he has basically been given a complete free pass for the HGH stuff. There are definitely advantages for embracing the media and making friends.

[Cookie Lyon]

4 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Devil's advocate here, but it's the difference between Brady and Manning. Brady does not have a good relationship with the media and he got killed from day 1 about the deflategate stuff. Manning has a very good relationship with the media and he has basically been given a complete free pass for the HGH stuff. There are definitely advantages for embracing the media and making friends.

That's true, but I don't blame Cam for not having a good relationship with the media.

They've been out to get him since he was in college. 

[Bartin]

3 minutes ago, Cookie Lyon said:

That's true, but I don't blame Cam for not having a good relationship with the media.

They've been out to get him since he was in college. 

Yeah, I definitely understand why he doesn't. He's an easy target and Cam hate gets clicks.

[dldove77]

3 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I like Bill and respect the hell out of what he has done with BBR. I think he really provides a solid alternative media source. I don't agree with him on this, but I understand why seems to be upset over it. He is an independent, like me, who didn't have a company budget to send him out there. We paid our own way. Interviews after the game are very important to him. I would feel the same way if I paid to go out there and then was told I could not take pictures. 

I see a big difference between the two of you: You're a fan who was passionate enough about this team to take a gamble and create a business for yourself out of it; he's an opportunist who is riding a Panthers wave. 

Maybe I'm way off base.

But... When you had to deal with poor weather conditions this year, I doubt you started suggesting the teams put roofs on the stadiums. You adjusted and did your job. Product might not have been what you'd planned, but you made the most of it. That's not what I'm seeing from him. 

[Kakarot]

I don't blame Cam. If I was him I'd also eliminate any interviews with Deion and Michael Irvin as well.

If you want to trash me, don't expect me to talk to you and help you out when you need an interview.

[truthjuice]

2 hours ago, Erik Stall said:

I'm listening to the full Voth interview now. The article encompases almost word for word the entirety of the Cam talk in the first 11:00. Here's something new:

"I think those guys are smart enough to know that Cam acted like a baby, but they're not going to say it." Basically called Olsen's comments about him an act. Good look, Bill

Classy.

2 hours ago, Erik Stall said:

Voth: "What the contract did for him is it enabled him that much more. And the team around him, not just the Panthers, but IMG and a whole bunch of other marketing people have allowed this to happen. They've almost created a monster where Cam's gonna do and say whatever the heck he pleases and he's going to keep telling you that."

Bill told me to listen to the context, so I am. He's not exactly sounding better here.

But, he does know that Cam has ALWAYS been this way? Cam has done (most likely) whatever it is that Cam wants to do his entire life. You just don't get this way after getting a contract extension. The Panthers, IMG or anyone else whose apart of Cam Newton Inc are enabling him. They pull him back when needed, but they allow Cam to be Cam. Period. He should do what he wants to do and not conform. He's a grown ass man and I hope and pray that he teaches Little Chosen the same thing! This world is gonna love you and it's gonna hate you. You might as well live on your terms. 

2 hours ago, Erik Stall said:

"I think what Cam Newton's building right now, he doesn't care what you're going to say about him, he doesn't care what you're going to think about him. He's going to do what he wants to do. So he's going to enjoy living his life that way, and marketing/PR wise, while I think on the surface it looks really bad and we can be like "how can people around him think that that's okay?", I think there's a certain rebellious part of the population that's going to start [sigh] liking stuff like this."

Once again, AS HE SHOULD BILL. Cam being Cam is not hurting his marketability. Cam is letting a generation know that it's okay to be true to yourself and be successful. Its okay to win big and lose hard. It's okay to not kiss ass with the media in hopes that they always keep a positive story out about you. Life still spins. 

1 hour ago, Erik Stall said:

Host: Is that your relationship with him, combative?

 

BV: "That is completely and 100% accurate. That's what it is. He bristles at almost everything. And as you can probably imagine, Charlotte's not the toughest media market in the world, so imagine if this guy had to play in a New York, or a Philly, or a place that really goes after their athletes. Cam is beloved here in Charlotte. So, he has it easy here and this is how he treats the media? We are not allowed to talk to Cam, we're essentially not allowed to approach him at his locker. Okay yeah maybe technically we're allowed, but the evil stares and the glances. And I think it's really unfortunate that the wall and the bubble was put up from day 1 since he came to the Panthers."

 

Talks about how he'll talk once a week and after practices, but won't do one on ones even with national media except in extremely rare circumstances, because if he does one one one then other people will expect it. "Nobody here has a relationship with him." Asks who has a relationship with him nationally. Says even Belichick has friends in the media, but Cam doesn't and hasn't allowed anyone into that circle.

The media has been a thorn in his side since college. I truly think once the "pay for play" scandal happened and he had to listen and read about he and his family's integrity being in question, that was it. Cam has built this wall and who can blame him?! He knows everything is gonna be flipped and twisted and blown up. He fulfills his obligation and that's it. He doesn't have to speak to the media if he doesn't want to outside of his weekly presser. Bottom line, Cam doesn't owe the media ANYTHING. With pieces like this and what's in the Observer about him, how do they expect him to form a good relationship with at least local media? Umm, yeah. I'm sure him or someone who works for him will get a hold to it because they do everything and he will lay another brick for the wall he has up. Good luck if he even acknowledges Bill next season. 

[truthjuice]

2 minutes ago, Kakarot said:

I don't blame Cam. If I was him I'd also eliminate any interviews with Deion and Michael Irvin as well.

If you want to trash me, don't expect me to talk to you and help you out when you need an interview.

I was kind of disappointed in both of them. 

[TheRed]

1 hour ago, Jangler said:

Just wondering when it's okay to stop pouting. 6? 16? 26? 

Now dont get me wrong, I don't have problem with how Cam handled the press conference. 

But...how much to you take before enough is enough of the baby attitude?

Because there will become a time where the immature bullsh!t has to stop. You have to treat other people around you with some kind of maturity and respect. 

I did a lot of immature bs in my life that did not help with friends , family and work. Lot of missed opportunities...

TBH, hopefully this is the last time we see this. 

 

Lmao, you're what, in your 40's, and have been practically stalking some chick you've never met since she was in high school?

You're one to talk about maturity.

[Jangler]

And you are a dick, is that immature enough for you?

[Carl Spackler]

5 hours ago, TheRed said:

Meh. Voth is good for content, but when it comes to selling out for publicity, he'll take this stance that he knows will get him the most attention immediately. He's no different than any of the other sports "journalists" on twitter who are only concerned about being the first to break the story rather than if it's actually legitimate or not.

It's funny because he almost seemed like he was defending him on his site, and then he gets an on-air audience and suddenly is Mr. Cam Expert Attitude Judge.

[Jangler]

I love how everybody is defending the franchise QB, but if it were your 15 year old son, you'd have a talk about being the bigger man and it's time to grown up, but a grown ass man acting like a 15 year old baby is okay.

[Erik Stall]

1 minute ago, Jangler said:

I love how everybody is defending the franchise QB, but if it were your 15 year old son, you'd have a talk about being the bigger man and it's time to grown up, but a grown ass man acting like a 15 year old baby is okay.

He hasn't raped or murdered anyone. He hasn't beaten his girlfriend. He hasn't fought a cop, or a teammate. Hasn't been a problem in any way, shape or form. In fact, many of his teammates and coaches love him for who he is.

I do not give a fug if sad Cam is sad after a Super Bowl loss. He's not my child to discipline. He's a grown ass man and can do whatever he wants. If you think he's childish, great, more power to you. We parade these athletes in front of the media, get mad when they're robots, get mad when they're real. Unless they dance like puppets as we see fit, they can't win. Cam doesn't want to play the game. Seeing what the media has become, a fuging circus, I wouldn't want to either.