Bill Voth: "Panthers Are Allowing Cam To Look Like A Baby."

[Erik Stall]

Voth: "What the contract did for him is it enabled him that much more. And the team around him, not just the Panthers, but IMG and a whole bunch of other marketing people have allowed this to happen. They've almost created a monster where Cam's gonna do and say whatever the heck he pleases and he's going to keep telling you that."

Bill told me to listen to the context, so I am. He's not exactly sounding better here.

[Erik Stall]

"I think what Cam Newton's building right now, he doesn't care what you're going to say about him, he doesn't care what you're going to think about him. He's going to do what he wants to do. So he's going to enjoy living his life that way, and marketing/PR wise, while I think on the surface it looks really bad and we can be like "how can people around him think that that's okay?", I think there's a certain rebellious part of the population that's going to start [sigh] liking stuff like this."

[Erik Stall]

Host: Is that your relationship with him, combative?

 

BV: "That is completely and 100% accurate. That's what it is. He bristles at almost everything. And as you can probably imagine, Charlotte's not the toughest media market in the world, so imagine if this guy had to play in a New York, or a Philly, or a place that really goes after their athletes. Cam is beloved here in Charlotte. So, he has it easy here and this is how he treats the media? We are not allowed to talk to Cam, we're essentially not allowed to approach him at his locker. Okay yeah maybe technically we're allowed, but the evil stares and the glances. And I think it's really unfortunate that the wall and the bubble was put up from day 1 since he came to the Panthers."

 

Talks about how he'll talk once a week and after practices, but won't do one on ones even with national media except in extremely rare circumstances, because if he does one one one then other people will expect it. "Nobody here has a relationship with him." Asks who has a relationship with him nationally. Says even Belichick has friends in the media, but Cam doesn't and hasn't allowed anyone into that circle.

[d-dave]

What is the relationship between the media and players again?  Is it contractual?  Also, the more he writes about Cam, the more hits he gets.  So theres that too.  I would think that Cam has made the media a ton of money over this whole thing!

[CPcavedweller]

Define "Man up". There is no singular truth to this as it is an inductive argument. There can be many truths depending on the claim being made and those who understand how to THINK correctly understand this. The majority of the public and media can shape peoples opinions due to the lack of critical thinking effort on the part of their readers. 

[CPcavedweller]

By the way, Cam's comments by his locker will one day become a quote that people use on posters and in other situations.

Conformity is something Cam does not do and other people could take a lesson in this. Innovation is driven by non-conformity and that's what America was built on and something that Cam can encourage.

[Cookie Lyon]

31 minutes ago, Erik Stall said:

I'm listening to the full Voth interview now. The article encompases almost word for word the entirety of the Cam talk in the first 11:00. Here's something new:

"I think those guys are smart enough to know that Cam acted like a baby, but they're not going to say it." Basically called Olsen's comments about him an act. Good look, Bill

 

5 minutes ago, Erik Stall said:

Host: Is that your relationship with him, combative?

 

BV: "That is completely and 100% accurate. That's what it is. He bristles at almost everything. And as you can probably imagine, Charlotte's not the toughest media market in the world, so imagine if this guy had to play in a New York, or a Philly, or a place that really goes after their athletes. Cam is beloved here in Charlotte. So, he has it easy here and this is how he treats the media? We are not allowed to talk to Cam, we're essentially not allowed to approach him at his locker. Okay yeah maybe technically we're allowed, but the evil stares and the glances. And I think it's really unfortunate that the wall and the bubble was put up from day 1 since he came to the Panthers."

 

Talks about how he'll talk once a week and after practices, but won't do one on ones even with national media except in extremely rare circumstances, because if he does one one one then other people will expect it. "Nobody here has a relationship with him." Asks who has a relationship with him nationally. Says even Belichick has friends in the media, but Cam doesn't and hasn't allowed anyone into that circle.

I listened to his interview as well and you're right that the article does encompass almost word for word what he says about Cam.

Also, why would Cam have a relationship with the media after they criticized him since he was in college? 

Voth acts like Cam is suppose to bow down to media.

[jasonluckydog]

I quit following that asshole on twitter and you should as well.

[Montsta]

2 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I like Bill and respect the hell out of what he has done with BBR. I think he really provides a solid alternative media source. I don't agree with him on this, but I understand why seems to be upset over it. He is an independent, like me, who didn't have a company budget to send him out there. We paid our own way. Interviews after the game are very important to him. I would feel the same way if I paid to go out there and then was told I could not take pictures. 

If you would have come over to my house, the whole rest of the trip would have been just kind of a bonus. 

Dibs on big spoon!

[Raskle]

Wait.. so Voth is acting like a tantrum-throwing baby because he feels like Cam acted like a tantrum-throwing baby?

 

Ok... Bizarro World just happened.

[Cookie Lyon]

Voth had the nerve to tweet this:

 

 

 

[Montsta]

1 hour ago, Ship said:

Voth was great when he first started and seemed to have a nice connection to the organization and reported things that were pretty comparable to the level Jeremy began to post in All Pro. I liked him, he has always had a certain sharpness or wit to him that is sometimes funny and sometimes off putting. 

He works tirelessly and delivers great daily content on his site, but in the past couple of years the content has become more of the same weekly stuff that I honestly don't care much about -- like snap counts -- but some people are interested in those things.

Another thing that I have noticed is he likes a narrative and likes a bigger picture view of some things. My main example was after the NFC championship game he tweets about how Cam is giving the press conference in the same room he was drafted in. Later, in the interview you can hear him ask the question "do you remember the last time you were in this room?", hopefully setting Cam up to talk about his collard greens line from when he was drafted and to get Cam to say how he has come full circle. Cam doesn't seem to care as much but does note that yes he said that and yes things have started to work. Then Voth writes a little article further hitting on the point. Generally, I like the idea that he had and the bigger story of Cam and his progress, but the way he did it rubs me the wrong way. I guess it has to do with his tweets and the interview all being open to view, so in essence his process (the wheels turning in his head) are all there to see, which makes the small but cool moment he wanted to write about seem more contrived than it should be. I feel like he has nice ideas on stories like these, but most of them fall flat to me because his execution is so deliberate. The problem might be because of his medium on twitter and the website, perhaps his work and thought process is too visible.

The point of the above, is now watching him, I think he tries too hard and has become more of someone whose voice/commentary I have to suffer through to hear news I am interested in.

Now, to the point about Cam. The thing I keep on thinking, and maybe someone said this already because I haven't read every post in this thread, is that all the people who are butt hurt about this are the reporters whose job it is to write about what he said-- basically, yeah if it was my job to write about Cam's post-game presser for the Superbowl (which will probably be looked at by more viewers than any other time) and he says nothing for me to write about, I would be mad too. Because that's one big piece in the flow of news that night that I won't have. The problem is that all these mad people are making it about Cam's personal make up, because he is a cry baby, and that the team and NFL should be embarrassed by having Cam as the face of the NFL.

I'm sick of hearing talking heads talk about how "shameful" things are this season. And how embarrassed we should all be when someone doesn't act perfectly composed at every important moment. People flip out, people wear their hearts on their sleeves, some people are very stoic and level headed at all times and someone people are hot heads. Cam is highly emotional. Sadly the media questions I hear are all pretty stock and boring anyway, they are mainly soft ball questions and NFL players are coached to give soft ball answers, so most of the press conferences are pretty boring anyway. Especially ones for "good losers" who have basically one good answer to say "they were better than us today, we didn't prepare well enough, hats off to them-- they came to play."

I think it's funny that the thing people like Voth seemed to want the most was for Cam to stay at the press conference and not leave. That is desire number one. So, ok-- what comes after that? Do they want Cam to stay and also be a good sport who says how much better the other team was and that he just couldn't get it done and that yeah they hit him hard and we just couldn't get anything going? Or, do they want Cam to stay and be really upset and give the kinds of answers someone who is super upset would say? One of those is being a "good sport" and also really boring and worthless filler and the one is still being a "bad sport" and probably more interesting to report on. Yet, the only "good sport" thing we're hearing Cam should have done was to stay at the press conference. So, I guess it turns into a question of how good of a sport does the media want Cam to be? Good enough to give them a good story maybe?

Bottom line, to make Cam into the type of guy who says canned speeches every game is to make Cam a different person. It's a good thing the Panthers are letting him stay the person he is while helping him grow and understand his actions better. Voth is being a bitch and it is tiresome.

I don't know who you are but I will definitely start paying more attention when you post here. 

Bravo. 

[rayzor]

25 minutes ago, Erik Stall said:

Hostimetheirt your relationship with him, combative?

 

BV: "Tthey'ven'tomp letely and 100% accurate. That 's what it is. He bristles at almost everything. And as you can probably imagine, Charlotte's not the toughest media market in the world, so imagine if this guy had to play in a New York, or a Philly, or a place that really goes after their athletes. Cam is beloved here in Charlotte. So, he has it easy here and this is how he treats the media? We are not allowed to talk to Cam, we're essentially not allowed to approach him at his locker. Okay yeah maybe technically we're allowed, but the evil stares and the glances. And I think it's really unfortunate that the wall and the bubble was put up from day 1 since he came to the Panthers."

 

Talks about how he'll talk once a week and after practices, but won't do one on ones even with national media except in extremely rare circumstances, because if he does one one one then other people will expect it. "Nobody here has a relationship with him." Asks who has a relationship with him nationally. Says even Belichick has friends in the media, but Cam doesn't and hasn't allowed anyone into that circle.

I dont doubt this, but after  the treatment hes Been getting from the media since he was in Auburn, can you blame him? All he has known about the media is they want to tear him down and he hasnt exactly been wrong. The media tried to assainate his character right from the beginning. he knows how fickle they are and what their true intent is and what they are willing to do to get it. Hes combative because all theyve done is attack him for most of his time in the public eye. Hes got every right to not trust any of them and i fully believe his teammates and coaches know and understand this.

[Montsta]

The media's entire job, be it covering politics, sports, local news, or whatever, is to try and get the biggest story, meaning the most watches or clicks or reads as possible. That means it is literally their entire job to try and spin things in a certain way that makes them more valuable. 

So I ask, why in the actual fug would any athlete, let alone one as big as Cam, want anything at all to do with any member of the media in any way? Anything he says to you has the potential to be misconstrued and ran with and potentially career or image threatening. 

Sports reporters see themselves as better than paparazzi, and they aren't, period. They are out to get you and if I was an athlete I'd go the Marshawn Lynch route and not say a single fuging word to the lot of em. 

fug em all I say.