Bill Voth: "Panthers Are Allowing Cam To Look Like A Baby."

[mcdougal]

24 minutes ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

The Huddle has become infested with Cam cultists. Not one of you have said anything negative about Voth all year until he said something negative about Cam.

 

Cam messed up and isn't perfect. Saying that doesn't make you a hater. No player should be immune to criticism, this board has become a laughingstock over the past 72 hours.

I would take this seriously if both you, I AND Bill didn't know that this is who Newton is. Bill sat right through Newton's press conferences like the rest of us. Hell even more than the rest of us.

Cam Newton has repeatedly said that this is who he is. You don't like it. Fug off.

 

So let me remind you and Bill again. Newton's highs are really damn high...Newton's lows are really damn low. It is what it is. It is what makes him, him. It is what allowed him to be a five star QB out of GA, to win a National Championship at Blinn and Auburn.

It is also what allowed Newton to be a MVP and lead the No. 1 offense without his No. 1 weapon and in all likihood get this offense to a SB with Ted Ginn playing KB.

 

If the worst you can criticize Newton for is a bad attitude with the Media and being a sour loser, you probably should just stop criticizing altogether.

[TheRed]

13 minutes ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

The Huddle has become infested with Cam cultists. Not one of you have said anything negative about Voth all year until he said something negative about Cam.

 

Cam messed up and isn't perfect. Saying that doesn't make you a hater. No player should be immune to criticism, this board has become a laughingstock over the past 72 hours.

Oh shut up.

[mcdougal]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

Oh shut up.

That too.

[CRA]

Cam going to go full Marshawn Lynch mode soon.

Media is a joke.  I loved how the other day Stephen A. Smith said, he had no idea Peyton Manning once walked off the field on the Super Bowl as the clocked ticked down. 

People didn't overact to Manning b/c Manning will at least play the bs media game which is all they want.

[CRA]

8 minutes ago, Erik Stall said:

Jonathan Jones wrote a great critical piece about Cam without calling him a baby, or saying he needs "man up". Most of us I would think are mad at Bill because he's using phrasing and language and making "points" that paint himself as a sellout who cares more about what drives the needle than what he has to say. It's bombastic. It's Skip Bayless.

And I get what Jeremy is saying about paying your way out there and getting pissed because of that, but he's being straight up unprofessional if that is the cause of this. He's no longer a journalist at that point, just a dude with a soapbox.

Hell, even Skip Bayless doesn't think any of the post game Cam stuff is that big of a deal. 

[Pox 08]

Not read the entire thread yet.      Have we had that one person that completely backs Voth and calls everyone else that doesn't,  a "Cam Fanboy"?

 

 

Most of yall are probably like me,   was on the fence about Cam walking out,   but when everyone else in the nation started acting like it was the worst thing imaginable...........and how Cam was the worst human being to ever exist because of it...     ...ya got off the fence and started taking sides. 

 

[Cookie Lyon]

24 minutes ago, arbnranger said:

Agree, 100% I love Cam and could give two shits what anyone says. Guess I'm lucky, I haven't watched TV since the Super Bowl and don't have social media other than Teh Huddle.

Seems like the OP posts about 2 things: Love/Hate for Cam and race. Jeez give it a break already. 

Voth has done an outstanding job this season. People have their own opinion even if we don't agree with it. Who gives a $hit, be happy. 

What the fug are you talking about?

You need to shut your ignorant ass up!

 

[Ship]

Voth was great when he first started and seemed to have a nice connection to the organization and reported things that were pretty comparable to the level Jeremy began to post in All Pro. I liked him, he has always had a certain sharpness or wit to him that is sometimes funny and sometimes off putting. 

He works tirelessly and delivers great daily content on his site, but in the past couple of years the content has become more of the same weekly stuff that I honestly don't care much about -- like snap counts -- but some people are interested in those things.

Another thing that I have noticed is he likes a narrative and likes a bigger picture view of some things. My main example was after the NFC championship game he tweets about how Cam is giving the press conference in the same room he was drafted in. Later, in the interview you can hear him ask the question "do you remember the last time you were in this room?", hopefully setting Cam up to talk about his collard greens line from when he was drafted and to get Cam to say how he has come full circle. Cam doesn't seem to care as much but does note that yes he said that and yes things have started to work. Then Voth writes a little article further hitting on the point. Generally, I like the idea that he had and the bigger story of Cam and his progress, but the way he did it rubs me the wrong way. I guess it has to do with his tweets and the interview all being open to view, so in essence his process (the wheels turning in his head) are all there to see, which makes the small but cool moment he wanted to write about seem more contrived than it should be. I feel like he has nice ideas on stories like these, but most of them fall flat to me because his execution is so deliberate. The problem might be because of his medium on twitter and the website, perhaps his work and thought process is too visible.

The point of the above, is now watching him, I think he tries too hard and has become more of someone whose voice/commentary I have to suffer through to hear news I am interested in.

Now, to the point about Cam. The thing I keep on thinking, and maybe someone said this already because I haven't read every post in this thread, is that all the people who are butt hurt about this are the reporters whose job it is to write about what he said-- basically, yeah if it was my job to write about Cam's post-game presser for the Superbowl (which will probably be looked at by more viewers than any other time) and he says nothing for me to write about, I would be mad too. Because that's one big piece in the flow of news that night that I won't have. The problem is that all these mad people are making it about Cam's personal make up, because he is a cry baby, and that the team and NFL should be embarrassed by having Cam as the face of the NFL.

I'm sick of hearing talking heads talk about how "shameful" things are this season. And how embarrassed we should all be when someone doesn't act perfectly composed at every important moment. People flip out, people wear their hearts on their sleeves, some people are very stoic and level headed at all times and someone people are hot heads. Cam is highly emotional. Sadly the media questions I hear are all pretty stock and boring anyway, they are mainly soft ball questions and NFL players are coached to give soft ball answers, so most of the press conferences are pretty boring anyway. Especially ones for "good losers" who have basically one good answer to say "they were better than us today, we didn't prepare well enough, hats off to them-- they came to play."

I think it's funny that the thing people like Voth seemed to want the most was for Cam to stay at the press conference and not leave. That is desire number one. So, ok-- what comes after that? Do they want Cam to stay and also be a good sport who says how much better the other team was and that he just couldn't get it done and that yeah they hit him hard and we just couldn't get anything going? Or, do they want Cam to stay and be really upset and give the kinds of answers someone who is super upset would say? One of those is being a "good sport" and also really boring and worthless filler and the one is still being a "bad sport" and probably more interesting to report on. Yet, the only "good sport" thing we're hearing Cam should have done was to stay at the press conference. So, I guess it turns into a question of how good of a sport does the media want Cam to be? Good enough to give them a good story maybe?

Bottom line, to make Cam into the type of guy who says canned speeches every game is to make Cam a different person. It's a good thing the Panthers are letting him stay the person he is while helping him grow and understand his actions better. Voth is being a bitch and it is tiresome.

[rayzor]

5 minutes ago, Ship said:

Voth was great when he first started and seemed to have a nice connection to the organization and reported things that were pretty comparable to the level Jeremy began to post in All Pro. I liked him, he has always had a certain sharpness or wit to him that is sometimes funny and sometimes off putting. 

He works tirelessly and delivers great daily content on his site, but in the past couple of years the content has become more of the same weekly stuff that I honestly don't care much about -- like snap counts -- but some people are interested in those things.

Another thing that I have noticed is he likes a narrative and likes a bigger picture view of some things. My main example was after the NFC championship game he tweets about how Cam is giving the press conference in the same room he was drafted in. Later, in the interview you can hear him ask the question "do you remember the last time you were in this room?", hopefully setting Cam up to talk about his collard greens line from when he was drafted and to get Cam to say how he has come full circle. Cam doesn't seem to care as much but does note that yes he said that and yes things have started to work. Then Voth writes a little article further hitting on the point. Generally, I like the idea that he had and the bigger story of Cam and his progress, but the way he did it rubs me the wrong way. I guess it has to do with his tweets and the interview all being open to view, so in essence his process (the wheels turning in his head) are all there to see, which makes the small but cool moment he wanted to write about seem more contrived than it should be. I feel like he has nice ideas on stories like these, but most of them fall flat to me because his execution is so deliberate. The problem might be because of his medium on twitter and the website, perhaps his work and thought process is too visible.

The point of the above, is now watching him, I think he tries too hard and has become more of someone whose voice/commentary I have to suffer through to hear news I am interested in.

Now, to the point about Cam. The thing I keep on thinking, and maybe someone said this already because I haven't read every post in this thread, is that all the people who are butt hurt about this are the reporters whose job it is to write about what he said-- basically, yeah if it was my job to write about Cam's post-game presser for the Superbowl (which will probably be looked at by more viewers than any other time) and he says nothing for me to write about, I would be mad too. Because that's one big piece in the flow of news that night that I won't have. The problem is that all these mad people are making it about Cam's personal make up, because he is a cry baby, and that the team and NFL should be embarrassed by having Cam as the face of the NFL.

I'm sick of hearing talking heads talk about how "shameful" things are this season. And how embarrassed we should all be when someone doesn't act perfectly composed at every important moment. People flip out, people wear their hearts on their sleeves, some people are very stoic and level headed at all times and someone people are hot heads. Cam is highly emotional. Sadly the media questions I hear are all pretty stock and boring anyway, they are mainly soft ball questions and NFL players are coached to give soft ball answers, so most of the press conferences are pretty boring anyway. Especially ones for "good losers" who have basically one good answer to say "they were better than us today, we didn't prepare well enough, hats off to them-- they came to play."

I think it's funny that the thing people like Voth seemed to want the most was for Cam to stay at the press conference and not leave. That is desire number one. So, ok-- what comes after that? Do they want Cam to stay and also be a good sport who says how much better the other team was and that he just couldn't get it done and that yeah they hit him hard and we just couldn't get anything going? Or, do they want Cam to stay and be really upset and give the kinds of answers someone who is super upset would say? One of those is being a "good sport" and also really boring and worthless filler and the one is still being a "bad sport" and probably more interesting to report on. Yet, the only "good sport" thing we're hearing Cam should have done was to stay at the press conference. So, I guess it turns into a question of how good of a sport does the media want Cam to be? Good enough to give them a good story maybe?

Bottom line, to make Cam into the type of guy who says canned speeches every game is to make Cam a different person. It's a good thing the Panthers are letting him stay the person he is while helping him grow and understand his actions better. Voth is being a bitch and it is tiresome.

Deserves a standing ovation. Well said.

[Mojo]

He's good at his job and no one can take that away from him, but he's always been kind of a rude and condescending kind of guy to anyone with a question or comment (on Twitter).  I assume his support will be affected although it may be small or inconsequential to him. Shouldn't make a habit of saying things like that. Huddle don't play that

[raleigh-panther]

2 hours ago, Daeavorn said:

Voth is a browns fan first and always. So far the only fanbase that seems to be on our side is the raiders.

Fug him.

 

Wait.....the Browns have fans ?

 

[Erik Stall]

I'm listening to the full Voth interview now. The article encompases almost word for word the entirety of the Cam talk in the first 11:00. Here's something new:

"I think those guys are smart enough to know that Cam acted like a baby, but they're not going to say it." Basically called Olsen's comments about him an act. Good look, Bill

[rayzor]

I understand what Jeremy said about being independent and paying your way out there and upset that you didn't get the whole experience you were hoping for and I think he's understandably taking it personally, but it wasn't personal. Cam is a human and we all act and react differently to things and an allowance needs to be made for that, especially in that setting. What voth is doing, though, is being a bit hypocritical. Hes reacting like a child who didn't get his way by calling cam a child for not getting his way. Dude needs to let it go and hope he doesn't burn any bridges while he's doing his whining. The number of press that cam and maybe the rest of this team decides to open up to about anything is going to be diminishing after the media's over-reaction to cam walking out. Voth is only shooting himself in the foot by taking the role of adversary which is exactly how he's going to be viewed if he keeps this poo up. It's just not a good look for someone trying to get up close and personal to the team to get the real scoop. They're going to start shutting him down and give him the Joe person treatment and as an independent, he really can't afford for that to happen.

[arbnranger]

26 minutes ago, Cookie Lyon said:

What the fug are you talking about?

You need to shut your ignorant ass up!

 

Read my post you quoted.

Be happy. :)