We need a DE... so whom?

[Ace_Aladdin]

On February 12, 2016 at 9:26 PM, *FreeFua* said:

Vernon is going to get a huge contract. By paying Vernon we'll have to lose one guy from our core group. Is Olivier Vernon worth losing a core guy for?

I initially laughed off the whole Mario Williams thing at first just because everyone likes to always connect the dots to a players hometown but the more I think about and check out the defensive end prospects the more I want Mario. Mario checked out last year but with Rex in charge I don't blame him, he had a great year in 2014 and at 31 still has a few years left. I say we go hard after Mario!

Mario Williams / Rodney McLeod / Trumaine Johnson 

It'll be the Panthers cheaper version of the Broncos Ward / Ware / Talib trio since we already have Norman.

We can still grab a DE in the draft but there will be a lot less pressure to grab one early. This draft isn't very deep imo and DG may even trade up to get 1st round value ("rather have a dime than 2 nickles"). Either way that DE will need time, I think it'll be crucial to move on Mario quickly if Buffalo does release him.

 

Why not move to get OT then, If the theory is true that pass rusher wins you the game then opposing team will also have this advantage how are we gonna defend against elite pass rushers.

[Verge]

I would love Vernon, but he is to expensive, he will be the highest paid DE on the market. If you can get a JPP for cheap, sign me up quick, but Robert Ayers would be spectacular as well, he really fits the system.

[teeray]

On 2/12/2016 at 8:46 PM, Snake said:

Sigh....  People we pick 31st. It's like a second round pick in the first round.   

This logic has never made sense to me

[*FreeFua*]

1 hour ago, sanjay_rajput said:

Why not move to get OT then, If the theory is true that pass rusher wins you the game then opposing team will also have this advantage how are we gonna defend against elite pass rushers.

I can't believe I'm going to say this but Oher was fantastic for us this season. I don't want to jinx it but I feel like we're ok at LT for awhile. 

As for RT my guess is that the plan was for Daryl Williams to play this season but after his injury they didn't want to disrupt the chemistry of the OL. Still blows my mind they just hung Remmers out to dry against Miller. In my opinion that has more to do with game planning than Remmers, because no one in the world thought Remmers would stop Miller.

[Snake]

1 hour ago, teeray said:

This logic has never made sense to me

Depends on year and need. We are not finding a starting DE or OT at 30. 

[arieslibra1]

On 2/10/2016 at 0:15 PM, Jmac said:

Any idea's??  I'd say Mario Williams, but his salary is 11 millon plus. Only five sacks last year in a system that didn't fit.  He is 31 an played at NC State. He could turn it around here. Don't see D.G paying that kind of jack though. Can't wait for a draft pick to develop. What options in FA do we have?

William Hayes. He replaced Chris Long as starter in STL plus he's from NC and went to college in NC. Got 3 sacks against SEA this year.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Think much, much smaller than Vernon or JPP. Gettleman is always looking for cheap, young, under the radar type guys.

Think more like a Andre Branch from Jacksonville. Young and with upside, much like a Kurt Coleman last year. 

[davos]

I mean, I don't expect us to go with a top/high paid one right as we're potentially disposing of CJ even if we have cash to spend. 

But if we do spend to a degree, I could see a 5-7 mil a year type.  Robert Ayers fits the mold I can see DG going after. 

[NJPanthers12]

Great call on William Hayes. I expect the Panthers to be in on him early. Also watch out for Arthur Miley. The team loves him. I also expect them to use a first round pick on a DE. I expect next years rotation to look like:

Charles Johnson

Kony Ealy

William Hayes

First Round Pick

Mario Addison

Arthur Miley

[iamhubby1]

4 hours ago, Snake said:

Depends on year and need. We are not finding a starting DE or OT at 30. 

 

Why? Cuz folks say so? At what point does the talent end? 16? 20? There are no talented players left at 30? When did this phenomenon start?

 

Gman pretty much expects his first 3 picks to push for not only playing time, but starter minutes. So he thinks there is talent after the mid 1st round.

 

If you know what you are doing. You increase your odds of making good decisions. I know...sounds insane doesn't it?

[Icebox]

I have a question for people who still have CJ penciled in our lineup next year... Why? 

He's two years removed from a Pro-Bowl quality season. The past two years have been subpar. This year was one of the worst ever for a player making his kind of salary.

Even if we restructured that massive, God-awful contract, why would we want CJ at the price it would take to keep him? If we restructure, we're still looking at a cap hit of at least $10M (and almost certainly much more). We'd also be extending his contract in order to restructure, deferring some cap hit until later years.... Not a good thing, since it would tie our hands from signing our young stars to extensions next year. CJ had 12 tackles and 1 sack in 9 games this year! We are clearly better offer devoting those resources elsewhere.

If I had to choose between Jared Allen and CJ, I would honestly take Allen. At least he SOMETIMES was able to pressure the QB and make plays.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 hours ago, NJPanthers12 said:

Great call on William Hayes. I expect the Panthers to be in on him early. Also watch out for Arthur Miley. The team loves him. I also expect them to use a first round pick on a DE. I expect next years rotation to look like:

Charles Johnson

Kony Ealy

William Hayes

First Round Pick

Mario Addison

Arthur Miley

I'd bet everything I own and all I can borrow on us not carrying six DEs on the active roster next year or any other year.  Not gonna happen.

[NJPanthers12]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I'd bet everything I own and all I can borrow on us not carrying six DEs on the active roster next year or any other year.  Not gonna happen.

Not saying all will be active but this year we carried 6 DE at one point. CJ, Allen, Ealy, Delaire, Horton, and Addison.

[LinvilleGorge]

I'll be very surprised if both CJ and Allen are back.  We're not taking a $16M cap hit for what CJ is currently and Allen sounds like he may retire.  I don't see Gman restructuring CJ either and pushing guaranteed money into future years.  If I had to bet, I'd bet on neither being here next season.