We need a DE... so whom?

[KB_fan]

11 hours ago, Snake said:

Sigh....  People we pick 31st. It's like a second round pick in the first round.  DE is one of the most valuable position on the field. Unless we mortgage our future like hurney did we are not getting even a role player at DE.  OT is also something we will not get this year.  

I think we're picking 30th in round 1 right?  31st in the later rounds.  Patriots don't have a 1st round pick this year.  Only 31 in round 1....

Not that it makes a difference in quality of who will be there.  Just hoping to help avoid confusion.

[Zaximus]

10 hours ago, Manos said:

I really wish Hardy wasn't such a knucklehead. The guy is exactly what this team needs as a player and for the most part it seems the coaches and players here loved him. I just don't see JR letting him come back. Maybe Gettleman could sell him on it being the difference between winning the Superbowl or not and it could possibly happen. 

A motivated Hardy, Ealy, Short and Star is the best d-line in the NFL, add in our lb core, Norman, Bene, Coleman and Boston/Weddle and you have the best defense the NFL has seen in a long time. Too bad it won't happen.

I'd still bring him back, not a chance, but, I think he wants back by his actions in the Cowboys game and I think our locker room may keep him in check.   Vontaze should be banned from the NFL and he keeps getting chances and keeps failing.  Hardy did something really stupid (I think his girlfriend was just as much to blame/crazy) but if he takes a respectable one-year deal I think we should give it a chance.  I know, it won't happen, and everyone hates him now but man, we could use him.

[csx]

12 hours ago, Snake said:

Sigh....  People we pick 31st. It's like a second round pick in the first round.  DE is one of the most valuable position on the field. Unless we mortgage our future like hurney did we are not getting even a role player at DE.  OT is also something we will not get this year.  

Where Oh where would we ever find a player the likes of Charles Johnson, jared Allen, or Greg Hardy beyond the first round? We might as well trade the draft away since you can never find good defensive lineman like Short, Jenkins,  or Rucker outside of the first round. 

You can never get a Michael Bennett or Cliff Avril past pick 10. Gettleman could never find a guy like Tuck or Osi Umenyiora out of the first round.

Let's surrender 

Oh wait....

 

[Bartin]

12 hours ago, Snake said:

Sigh....  People we pick 31st. It's like a second round pick in the first round.  DE is one of the most valuable position on the field. Unless we mortgage our future like hurney did we are not getting even a role player at DE.  OT is also something we will not get this year.  

2015: Mario Edwards Jr, Preston Smith, Markus Golden

2014: Demarcus Lawrence, Kony Ealy

2013: This year was actually terrible. One of the worst drafts of all time actually even though we came out smelling like roses.

2012: Vinny Curry, Olivier Vernon

2011: Jabaal Sheard, Justin Houston

2010: Jerry Hughes, Everson Griffen, Greg Hardy

Except for 2013 there have been at least 2 very good edge rushers that have been picked 30th or later and this is one of the best DL drafts in recent memory. Guys like Kevin Dodd or Emmanuel Ogbah should be available at our pick or at least close enough where we can go get them without giving up much at all.

[Snake]

1 hour ago, KB_fan said:

I think we're picking 30th in round 1 right?  31st in the later rounds.  Patriots don't have a 1st round pick this year.  Only 31 in round 1....

Not that it makes a difference in quality of who will be there.  Just hoping to help avoid confusion.

Yes you are correct. I forgot the Pats lost another 1st round pickpick. 

[Snake]

43 minutes ago, Bartin said:

2015: Mario Edwards Jr, Preston Smith, Markus Golden

2014: Demarcus Lawrence, Kony Ealy

2013: This year was actually terrible. One of the worst drafts of all time actually even though we came out smelling like roses.

2012: Vinny Curry, Olivier Vernon

2011: Jabaal Sheard, Justin Houston

2010: Jerry Hughes, Everson Griffen, Greg Hardy

Except for 2013 there have been at least 2 very good edge rushers that have been picked 30th or later and this is one of the best DL drafts in recent memory. Guys like Kevin Dodd or Emmanuel Ogbah should be available at our pick or at least close enough where we can go get them without giving up much at all.

That's a hand full of DEs in a 7 round draft.  You are proving my point very well. 

[Bartin]

Just now, Snake said:

That's a hand full of DEs in a 7 round draft.  You are proving my point very well. 

The point that we can't even get a role player at DE at pick 30? Not really.

[Snake]

11 hours ago, Bartin said:

The point that we can't even get a role player at DE at pick 30? Not really.

This is a prime example of why people don't understand football. Edwards JR, Golden, and Smith are all 3-4 DEs. So is Lawrence and Curry for that matter. The only 4-3 guy you mentioned is Ealy in the 3 year period.   It's actually why a bunch of teams run the 3-4 because finding a LB is easier and faster in development than a 4-3 DE. 

[Bartin]

27 minutes ago, Snake said:

This is a prime example of why people don't understand football. Edwards JR, Golden, and Smith are all 3-4 DEs. So is Lawrence and Curry for that matter. The only 4-3 guy you mentioned is Ealy in the 3 year period.   It's actually why a bunch of teams run the 3-4 because finding a LB is easier and faster in development than a 4-3 DE. 

Other than Golden and Smith being 3-4 OLBs you're right. Edwards is a 3-4 DE. However all three are fully capable of being 4-3 DEs. They were just drafted into different schemes. Smith is 6'5" 270 which is basically the 4-3 DE prototype. Golden is slightly undersized for a 4-3 and Edwards would likely be converted to 3T in a 4-3. They were all 4-3 DEs at major college programs.

[Snake]

3 hours ago, Bartin said:

Other than Golden and Smith being 3-4 OLBs you're right. Edwards is a 3-4 DE. However all three are fully capable of being 4-3 DEs. They were just drafted into different schemes. Smith is 6'5" 270 which is basically the 4-3 DE prototype. Golden is slightly undersized for a 4-3 and Edwards would likely be converted to 3T in a 4-3. They were all 4-3 DEs at major college programs.

It really does not work that way. Different skill sets. 

[lightsout]

If we've learned anything this year, it's that speed kills along the defensive line. KK is quick and fast at his position, and Ealy has decent speed.

We need our Von Miller type. A guy who is just flat out fast with the strength to not get shoved around in the run. Gone are the days of having just big strong bull-rushing DEs. They can still be effective, but you gotta have speed.

[crushcard1976]

http://www.drafttek.com/2016-NFL-Draft-Prospect-Rankings/Top-College-34-Defensive-Ends-2016-Draft.asp here are just thx top 34 Defensive end in this year's draft

[bandu]

7 hours ago, Bartin said:

Other than Golden and Smith being 3-4 OLBs you're right. Edwards is a 3-4 DE. However all three are fully capable of being 4-3 DEs. They were just drafted into different schemes. Smith is 6'5" 270 which is basically the 4-3 DE prototype. Golden is slightly undersized for a 4-3 and Edwards would likely be converted to 3T in a 4-3. They were all 4-3 DEs at major college programs.

Haha

[PantherWake]

2 hours ago, lightsout said:

If we've learned anything this year, it's that speed kills along the defensive line. KK is quick and fast at his position, and Ealy has decent speed.

We need our Von Miller type. A guy who is just flat out fast with the strength to not get shoved around in the run. Gone are the days of having just big strong bull-rushing DEs. They can still be effective, but you gotta have speed.

Especially since Olineman are smaller and faster than they were before cause of all the uptempo and spread offenses