Tin foil hat time (Im starting to Believe it though)

[R0CKnR0LLA]

NFL is a business. They're there to make money. Of course they are going to want to influence outcomes that make them more money. This isn't conspiracy theory stuff.

I don't think any coaches or players are ever in on it. Also, I don't think the NFL would risk going to a referee and directly telling them to screw a certain team. They, at the very least, need plausible deniability. Even though it's 100% legal they wouldn't ever want the public to know that their games are intentionally biased as it would kill their popularity.

So how does the NFL give itself the best chance to reach outcomes that increase their ratings/popularity/profit without directly rigging games?

Easy. They hand pick which referee calls each game, after all.

2014 Playoffs, 49ers vs Carolina -- Let's get a head referee that's a lifetime die hard 49ers fan

2016 Denver Carolina Super Bowl -- Let's pick referees and replay officials that are lifetime die hard Broncos fans

And of course no matter how many bad calls are made the referees are never punished, fired or even demoted. But if a player or coach speaks out about bad officiating they get fined immedietly LOL

[All about the Benjamin]

It's rigged. Peyton Manning's last game and Superbowl against the Carolina Panthers (on the 50th anniversary of the Black Panthers, both lead by a guy named Newton). "The sheriff rides off into the sunset" 

[GetRealPlease]

I have a really crazy idea, but hear me out.  What if there is a "storyline" for each Super Bowl, because the media thrives on telling some kind of dramatic story, and here's where it gets weird, they create a narrative for whichever two teams get to the game?  Crazy stuff right?  Like if Denver and Seattle had gone, maybe they would have, I don't know I'm just spitballing here and I'm not a genius media executive, used a Super Bowl 48 rematch story?  Or if Carolina and New England had gone, they could even have used the same "Cam, the Young vs. the Old Veteran" story they used here.

And what if the fact that the penalties isn't dead even between both teams in number and yards isn't because of bias, but what if somehow, one team actually committed more penalties than another?  Like possibly, one team's offensive line would jump before the snap a bunch times more than the other and actually get more penalties called because of it.

And what if, when the NFL was rigging the 2001 game to make the Patriots win for "Go America!" storyline, they remembered that New York was actually the city that was hit and they instead arranged a Jets vs. Giants Super Bowl?

If you look hard enough for something, and ignore everything that doesn't fit what you're trying to see, you can talk yourself into nearly anything convincingly.  

Or you can believe the Illuminati, Masons, Chinese Triad, and the Corleones are conspiring together to make the most profitable sports league in the US slightly more profitable while risking the entire fanbase if they are discovered, which is almost certain, unless you believe none of the many, many people necessary to actually do this effectively would admit the plot in even a deathbed confession, let alone the likelihood of a tell-all book.  

Sometimes teams win, sometimes they lose.  Like everything else in life.  There are no puppet strings, unless you count the ones you have tacked up in your crazy shed connecting the post-its, newspaper clippings, and photos as you "unravel" the truth.

[Carolina Pride 95]

1 hour ago, GetRealPlease said:

I have a really crazy idea, but hear me out.  What if there is a "storyline" for each Super Bowl, because the media thrives on telling some kind of dramatic story, and here's where it gets weird, they create a narrative for whichever two teams get to the game?  Crazy stuff right?  Like if Denver and Seattle had gone, maybe they would have, I don't know I'm just spitballing here and I'm not a genius media executive, used a Super Bowl 48 rematch story?  Or if Carolina and New England had gone, they could even have used the same "Cam, the Young vs. the Old Veteran" story they used here.

And what if the fact that the penalties isn't dead even between both teams in number and yards isn't because of bias, but what if somehow, one team actually committed more penalties than another?  Like possibly, one team's offensive line would jump before the snap a bunch times more than the other and actually get more penalties called because of it.

And what if, when the NFL was rigging the 2001 game to make the Patriots win for "Go America!" storyline, they remembered that New York was actually the city that was hit and they instead arranged a Jets vs. Giants Super Bowl?

If you look hard enough for something, and ignore everything that doesn't fit what you're trying to see, you can talk yourself into nearly anything convincingly.  

Or you can believe the Illuminati, Masons, Chinese Triad, and the Corleones are conspiring together to make the most profitable sports league in the US slightly more profitable while risking the entire fanbase if they are discovered, which is almost certain, unless you believe none of the many, many people necessary to actually do this effectively would admit the plot in even a deathbed confession, let alone the likelihood of a tell-all book.  

Sometimes teams win, sometimes they lose.  Like everything else in life.  There are no puppet strings, unless you count the ones you have tacked up in your crazy shed connecting the post-its, newspaper clippings, and photos as you "unravel" the truth.

Yep, you're totally in on it...

Typical agency disinformation campaign to de-rail our revelation!

[CamMoon]

1 hour ago, GetRealPlease said:

I have a really crazy idea, but hear me out.  What if there is a "storyline" for each Super Bowl, because the media thrives on telling some kind of dramatic story, and here's where it gets weird, they create a narrative for whichever two teams get to the game?  Crazy stuff right?  Like if Denver and Seattle had gone, maybe they would have, I don't know I'm just spitballing here and I'm not a genius media executive, used a Super Bowl 48 rematch story?  Or if Carolina and New England had gone, they could even have used the same "Cam, the Young vs. the Old Veteran" story they used here.

And what if the fact that the penalties isn't dead even between both teams in number and yards isn't because of bias, but what if somehow, one team actually committed more penalties than another?  Like possibly, one team's offensive line would jump before the snap a bunch times more than the other and actually get more penalties called because of it.

And what if, when the NFL was rigging the 2001 game to make the Patriots win for "Go America!" storyline, they remembered that New York was actually the city that was hit and they instead arranged a Jets vs. Giants Super Bowl?

If you look hard enough for something, and ignore everything that doesn't fit what you're trying to see, you can talk yourself into nearly anything convincingly.  

Or you can believe the Illuminati, Masons, Chinese Triad, and the Corleones are conspiring together to make the most profitable sports league in the US slightly more profitable while risking the entire fanbase if they are discovered, which is almost certain, unless you believe none of the many, many people necessary to actually do this effectively would admit the plot in even a deathbed confession, let alone the likelihood of a tell-all book.  

Sometimes teams win, sometimes they lose.  Like everything else in life.  There are no puppet strings, unless you count the ones you have tacked up in your crazy shed connecting the post-its, newspaper clippings, and photos as you "unravel" the truth.

New York was not the only city hit on 9/11. The underdog Patriots were a much better story and seller than Jets v Giants  

[Wolfpredator]

Oh for the love of non existent God.....WE. LOST. GET. OVER. ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[GetRealPlease]

55 minutes ago, CamMoon said:

New York was not the only city hit on 9/11. The underdog Patriots were a much better story and seller than Jets v Giants  

The underdog Patriots were only a better story because that's what happened.  If people were actually pulling imaginary strings,  with the power to make any team competitive, you can't imagine the media hype if the Super Bowl, months after 9/11, featured the two New York teams?  It would have been like the New Orleans/Katrina Super Bowl only a million times amplified.  

And although the Pentagon was also hit, and the plane that went down in Pennsylvania was certainly part of the tragedy, New York was absolutely the hardest hit.

[Doc Holiday]

17 hours ago, Zaximus said:

People refuse to see what is happening, I understand that.  That is why they can keep doing things to move momentum.  People cannot admit their favorite past time is tainted.   It's still fun to watch, and I think the players are truly playing their hearts out and coaches for the most part, but I've trained myself to watch things during games that once you do this, you can't unsee.  

Hmm. it's an interesting idea, except for the fact that it makes the assumption that all revenue is shared equally and it's not, local TV deal and I believe merch/ticket sales/concessions and a few other things are solely up to the Teams, the National TV contracts are the only ones where shared revenue comes into play for my knowledge.  If teams shared the Same regardless then why did the Rams go back to LA? the cost-benifit ratio would make no sense to move at all at that point if they were going to make the same regardless.  

Like how the they are talking about the Patriots and 2001 but fail to mention that Tom Brady(arguably the greatest NFL QB of all time) probably had a bit more to do with that the the NFL trying to fix games.  Just saying.

[Zaximus]

6 hours ago, Doc Holiday said:

Hmm. it's an interesting idea, except for the fact that it makes the assumption that all revenue is shared equally and it's not, local TV deal and I believe merch/ticket sales/concessions and a few other things are solely up to the Teams, the National TV contracts are the only ones where shared revenue comes into play for my knowledge.  If teams shared the Same regardless then why did the Rams go back to LA? the cost-benifit ratio would make no sense to move at all at that point if they were going to make the same regardless.  

Like how the they are talking about the Patriots and 2001 but fail to mention that Tom Brady(arguably the greatest NFL QB of all time) probably had a bit more to do with that the the NFL trying to fix games.  Just saying.

Merch and advertising sales are shared.   Something like 40% of gate receipts from tickets are actually shared as well.   So teams get  60% of the tickets.

I think concessions are probably theirs but that's small compared to the rest of the money, which most everything is shared among all teams.   Local advertising in the stadium may be the teams but I  think some of that is shared as well but wouldn't make it on TV broadcast anyway if it's a team-specific deal.  

To put all this in perspective, last season the NFL teams shared $7.24 billion in revenue.

[Zaximus]

In another thread, a great post was put up showing all the bad calls.  Like 18.  This doesn't even include things like most of the PI calls because they are judgement calls, here is the link:

 

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/topic/125815-nfl-turning-point-the-clete-blakeman-effect/?do=findComment&comment=3710600

 

Please stop telling me nothing fishy was going on.   Look at that.  All against us.   It's like denying the sky is blue.

[PandaPancake]

1 hour ago, Zaximus said:

In another thread, a great post was put up showing all the bad calls.  Like 18.  This doesn't even include things like most of the PI calls because they are judgement calls, here is the link:

 

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/topic/125815-nfl-turning-point-the-clete-blakeman-effect/?do=findComment&comment=3710600

 

Please stop telling me nothing fishy was going on.   Look at that.  All against us.   It's like denying the sky is blue.

The sky looks blue but it's not.

 

Science Nazi away!

[TKPanthers1990]

Has it happened in other sports...?

[OneBadCat]

It's not the reason we lost but its incredibly disappointing that our team always has to beat the opponent and the refs.

It's really sad that the NFL can't call a fair fuging game on the biggest stage of the year.

[Panther53521]

Denver had more stories than we did.

1. Peyton's last rodeo, Peyton has honored the shield his whole career and has been the QB wants each of the QB's to be.

2. Denver Owner has dementia and is mostly near death, Years ago at the Lombardi presentation he said "This one is for John", So Denver had to win so that John could return the favor by saying "This one is for Pat'

 

Put JR on his death bed and we have a good team ... That Lombardi will be ours!