Tin foil hat time (Im starting to Believe it though)

[d-dave]

9 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

loooool ok.

good luck getting players and execs to keep quiet for decades... all of them... thousands of them... with nary a peep.

some of you are delusional.

But...can I still have my redemption story of a Carolina Super Bowl win next year????

No?  Psh...I'm going to talk to my imaginary stock broker!  He's got some great beach front property in Wyoming!

[joemac]

28 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

The NFL is not rigged so much as it is manipulated when put in a position to choose the outcome of a game. They don't say "OK guys, you don't get to tackle Peyton today," but when Peyton's receiver pushes off on third-and-long but catches one for 26? You might turn a blind eye to offensive PI. Panthers throw a long TD pass to take the lead?

You might "find" some holding somewhere on the line. To believe it's on the level is complete BS, but it's also BS to believe Elway won Super Bowls 32 and 33 because he's a Freemason. I don't think Elway is a 32nd or 33rd degree. I also think he's a complete dick.

I'm also a Freemason. Where the hell is my Lombardi?

What do I have to do to become a Freemason? I've always been interested in things like that....

[Zaximus]

7 minutes ago, d-dave said:

But...can I still have my redemption story of a Carolina Super Bowl win next year????

No?  Psh...I'm going to talk to my imaginary stock broker!  He's got some great beach front property in Wyoming!

That could be a good storyline they go with.   It could also be the Panthers vs Patriots revenge story as well.  I really wish we played the Patriots this year instead of Denver.

[pstall]

12 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

Do you believe in the skygod you've never seen?  if so, you're point is invalid.

Anyway don't you have some Mazda commercials to narrate or come up with more lame dad jokes?   You should know money rules all.

Getting soft there Lebowski. Not to mention more personal than a urologist.  I don't go around making points of someone's values good or bad. 

The only thing lame is your Lego conspiracy house you are trying to construct. 

[Zaximus]

Just now, pstall said:

Getting soft there Lebowski. Not to mention more personal than a urologist.  I don't go around making points of someone's values good or bad. 

The only thing lame is your Lego conspiracy house you are trying to construct. 

Keep being blind.   This isn't one game of plays.  This is over a decade of bad officiating and questionable calls.  A decade of making the rulebook more muddled for.... what reason?  What is a catch?  It's even harder to figure out every year.  Why would do do something like that?  Why do refs not get reprimanded for bad calls or replaced, ever?    Billionaires buy elections, we overthrow governments weekly, people believe in religion (any religion) where they really haven't seen anything to prove it, but then think it's completely CRAZY that the NFL would legally manipulate games with even just ONE ref, for MILLIONS extra in advertising dollars?   

[pstall]

If Cotch catches the  ball at the 5 or C doesn't fumble for a touchdown aren't having a dif convo?

Look at that insane catch by Baldwin on that drive in last years SB that set up the dramatic end.

How about this conspiracy?  NBC has gotten most of the great SB lately.

A rouge player or ref shaving points i can totally see. A football Bilderbergs uhh no.

[Zaximus]

4 minutes ago, pstall said:

If Cotch catches the  ball at the 5 or C doesn't fumble for a touchdown aren't having a dif convo?

Look at that insane catch by Baldwin on that drive in last years SB that set up the dramatic end.

How about this conspiracy?  NBC has gotten most of the great SB lately.

A rouge player or ref shaving points i can totally see. A football Bilderbergs uhh no.

I never said you can't win despite favorism.  I said that when you're playing a defense like Denver you have to play perfect to overcome both.  It was such a perfect storm because of their defense.  And both fumbles should have been a hit in the helmet and a defensive player knocking the ball forward penalties.  A Tyree catch or something like that can always happen, I doubt their plan is 100%.   They fact is, the NFL has to give money back to advertisers if ratings drop during the game.  

[PhillyB]

28 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

Keep being blind.   This isn't one game of plays.  This is over a decade of bad officiating and questionable calls.  A decade of making the rulebook more muddled for.... what reason?  What is a catch?  It's even harder to figure out every year.  Why would do do something like that?  Why do refs not get reprimanded for bad calls or replaced, ever?    Billionaires buy elections, we overthrow governments weekly, people believe in religion (any religion) where they really haven't seen anything to prove it, but then think it's completely CRAZY that the NFL would legally manipulate games with even just ONE ref, for MILLIONS extra in advertising dollars?   

religion and this are apples:oranges. both can be deconstructed with critical thinking

[dbulls874]

57 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

Keep being blind.   This isn't one game of plays.  This is over a decade of bad officiating and questionable calls.  A decade of making the rulebook more muddled for.... what reason?  What is a catch?  It's even harder to figure out every year.  Why would do do something like that?  Why do refs not get reprimanded for bad calls or replaced, ever?    Billionaires buy elections, we overthrow governments weekly, people believe in religion (any religion) where they really haven't seen anything to prove it, but then think it's completely CRAZY that the NFL would legally manipulate games with even just ONE ref, for MILLIONS extra in advertising dollars?   

The problem with this thinking, and most conspiracy theories, is a lack of consideration for the economics that govern personal decision making. 

Millions of extra advertising dollars, which we're assuming for the sake of argument would be the reward for such a conspiracy, split 32 ways (at a minimum), constitute very little return for the billionaires who own teams. That's a very minimal reward on what is essentially an existential risk - the billions in TV money would vaporize if such a risk failed (by being exposed). If you're a billionaire who wants to risk large amounts of money in exchange for marginal returns, there are infinitely easier ways to do it. And the owners would have to be in on it, because why would Roger Goodell, who made tens of millions of dollars a year from Day 1, risk his career doing this on behalf of the owners without their knowledge? So that the owners could make slightly more money and be in a slightly better position to give him a raise?

The same goes for 9-11 conspiracies (at least, the ones I'm familiar with.) George W. Bush knocked down the towers so his Halliburton buddies could rake in millions? What reward could possibly incentivize him to do that, that he doesn't already have? Wealth? Approval? The promise of favors in return? None of those things could incentivize Bush, who had all of those rewards secured in abundance for perpetuity by being president, and all of which he would have jeopardized by conspiring to knock those towers down.

[Zaximus]

5 minutes ago, dbulls874 said:

The problem with this thinking, and most conspiracy theories, is a lack of consideration for the economics that govern personal decision making. 

Millions of extra advertising dollars, which we're assuming for the sake of argument would be the reward for such a conspiracy, split 32 ways (at a minimum), constitute very little return for the billionaires who own teams. That's a very minimal reward on what is essentially an existential risk - the billions in TV money would vaporize if such a risk failed (by being exposed). If you're a billionaire who wants to risk large amounts of money in exchange for marginal returns, there are infinitely easier ways to do it. And the owners would have to be in on it, because why would Roger Goodell, who made tens of millions of dollars a year from Day 1, risk his career doing this on behalf of the owners without their knowledge? So that the owners could make slightly more money and be in a slightly better position to give him a raise?

The same goes for 9-11 conspiracies (at least, the ones I'm familiar with.) George W. Bush knocked down the towers so his Halliburton buddies could rake in millions? What reward could possibly incentivize him to do that, that he doesn't already have? Wealth? Approval? The promise of favors in return? None of those things could incentivize Bush, who had all of those rewards secured in abundance for perpetuity by being president, and all of which he would have jeopardized by conspiring to knock those towers down.

It's a lot easier to do this than 9/11, so I wouldn't compare the two honestly.   Just in the last 10 years, over $2 billion has been spent on the super bowl game ALONE.  During the season, $3 billion is spent, each season.  If a company wants to use NFL terms in ads, they have to pay licensing, which is huge.  In 2011  the NFL signed a record deal with tv stations to broadcast, which was way more than before.   I also find it a big coincidence that when the NFL really started to blow up (around the beginning of 2000) and become the #1 sport was when shady things started happening and also with Goodell.  I get that people just can't admit their "baby" is tainted, I do, I personally just can't look at all the facts and all the occurrence and just think it's coincidence.   More power to you, I wish I thought everything was all rainbows and unicorns as well.    It's so easy to push momentum one way, with just one ref, why wouldn't you do it?  It's impossible to ever get caught, and it's perfectly legal as well.  The rulebook is designed to be muddled and confusing so deniability is always there and "judgement" calls are great for it too.

Nothing would vaporize either.   When Goodell screwed up Ray Rice thing, did the stations stop showing NFL games?  The NFL is too big to fail.    The NFL is such a large part of people's life it's almost kind of sad, but they will not admit it.   They are in the perfect position to keep going for the money.

Oh and yeah Manning's farewell tour superbowl ended up being the #3 most watched.   Good job NFL.

[usmcpanthers]

I just hope the storyline next year, "Disgraced superstar MVP get the ultimate redemption in super bowl 51!"

[rippadonn]

Willingly accepting a result on strictly face value and not questioning the possible gears in motion is more irresponsible than so called conspiracy theories and is the reason why we Americans get manipulated by crooks and theives. 

So there is absolutely no reason for people to manipulate outcomes of elections either?!? Basketball games? Football games? Government contracts? 

Yes, there are always a reasons Money being one and Control among others. 

The honest world some people want to believe in does not exist. You need to be more aware

 

[The Lone Panther]

Looks like something that would be on the Deep Web. 

[CamMoon]

7 hours ago, Zaximus said:

People refuse to see what is happening, I understand that.  That is why they can keep doing things to move momentum.  People cannot admit their favorite past time is tainted.   It's still fun to watch, and I think the players are truly playing their hearts out and coaches for the most part, but I've trained myself to watch things during games that once you do this, you can't unsee.  

I don't think it's possible for the league to rig every game, nor is it necessary  (Jags Titans outcome in week 11 doesn't matter) However I have no doubt in my mind that they rigged the 2001 season and SuperBowl.