JNo - To Tag or Not to Tag?

[MV%doe]

22 hours ago, Pimpdaddy said:

Dave...is that you? LMAO.

 

[MV%doe]

21 hours ago, OneBadCat said:

Let's be real here. Rivera fugged that one up. Norman should have been starting a long time ago. He was too conservative to let him play.

I don't disagree with the notion that Norman was the better player in terms of skills and talents, but his problem was communication, mistakes, and freelancing. Which if you know football those issues, allow for big gains and scoring...Even on a great defense. Remember the Buffalo game? Bene singled a switch, well norman either ignored, missed or wanted to his own thing the call. Result the panthers lost to a eg Manuel lead bills.

 

 

[juliosantos]

we better not let him  walk i hate seeing players become so grate for us and when its time to get paid end up on a different team 

[panthers55]

JNo could sign a 4 year deal for roughly 45 million with 25 guaranteed. That would be a fair deal and would guarantee he played his best years here and stI'll provide some cap help in year 1.  This would not break the bank at all and not stop us from signing other players. If he doesn't take it some other very good vet corner will give up a decent deal for a possible super bowl ring. 

[panthers55]

23 hours ago, OneBadCat said:

Let's be real here. Rivera fugged that one up. Norman should have been starting a long time ago. He was too conservative to let him play.

Not even close. He didn't play as a starter because he was not willing to stay within the system and play his responsibility instead of free lancing all the time. Plus he shot his mouth off and was very undisciplined.  Once he got the message and did what he was supposed to do he started and shined. This has been discussed ad nauseum. Where have you been???

[OneBadCat]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Not even close. He didn't play as a starter because he was not willing to stay within the system and play his responsibility instead of free lancing all the time. Plus he shot his mouth off and was very undisciplined.  Once he got the message and did what he was supposed to do he started and shined. This has been discussed ad nauseum. Where have you been???

Yes I have been there for that conversation but I think it's overblown. Norman should have started earlier. Ron had a history of starting vets over fresher talent and to this day he still does to a lesser degree. 

So Norman blew the Buffalo game. Big deal. You could also make the argument Ron blew that game too. He didn't become Riverboat until later that year. Refs also screwed us out of that game.

 

[panthers55]

20 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

Yes I have been there for that conversation but I think it's overblown. Norman should have started earlier. Ron had a history of starting vets over fresher talent and to this day he still does to a lesser degree. 

So Norman blew the Buffalo game. Big deal. You could also make the argument Ron blew that game too. He didn't become Riverboat until later that year. Refs also screwed us out of that game.

 

And your opinion doesn't trump what Norman himself admitted about why he didn't start.

http://m.gastongazette.com/article/20151007/NEWS/151009085

It isn't being fresher it is making sure they know their responsibilities in our defense in every situation. Experience is as important or more so than being younger.  Rivera has a history of building top notch defenses everywhere he has gone. But let's ignore all that because you don't agree.

 

[OneBadCat]

7 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

And your opinion doesn't trump what Norman himself admitted about why he didn't start.

http://m.gastongazette.com/article/20151007/NEWS/151009085

It isn't being fresher it is making sure they know their responsibilities in our defense in every situation. Experience is as important or more so than being younger.  Rivera has a history of building top notch defenses everywhere he has gone. But let's ignore all that because you don't agree.

 

Norman is going to tow the line. What else would you expect him to say? Especially if he wanted to play. We started poo CBs over him for years. I'm not saying he didn't free lance too much. But there were times where putting him in could have helped us win vs his liability to screw it up.

[panthers55]

41 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

Norman is going to tow the line. What else would you expect him to say? Especially if he wanted to play. We started poo CBs over him for years. I'm not saying he didn't free lance too much. But there were times where putting him in could have helped us win vs his liability to screw it up.

And you know that how? I love people with absolutely no football experience questioning a guy who won coach of the year two of the last three years. So when the player in question admits he had issues, he is just towing the line. no. Just let it go. You  have no credible argument here.  Norman didn't start tbecause the team had to teach him that you either conform to the system or you don't play no matter how much talent you have. The same with Ealy this year. Guys Come out of college with huge egos, they have to be humbled and taught they aren't bigger than the team.

[KB_fan]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Guys Come out of college with huge egos, they have to be humbled and taught they aren't bigger than the team.

Heck, even Jared Allen said he had to learn this is a new way this past season.

[OneBadCat]

10 hours ago, panthers55 said:

And you know that how? I love people with absolutely no football experience questioning a guy who won coach of the year two of the last three years. So when the player in question admits he had issues, he is just towing the line. no. Just let it go. You  have no credible argument here.  Norman didn't start tbecause the team had to teach him that you either conform to the system or you don't play no matter how much talent you have. The same with Ealy this year. Guys Come out of college with huge egos, they have to be humbled and taught they aren't bigger than the team.

Yeah well it worked in Madden 

[thefuzz]

He will be tagged or receive a 4 for 40 deal with 25-30 guaranteed.

That is about the only way I see this shaking down.

[Mojo]

I consider him a core player at this point, so we should try to work something out to keep him here for awhile.  If not, then I'll understand but it's not the ideal imho.

[Snake]

I hope we can reach a agreement with him. The tag is no good for anyone.