Mike Shula: "Cam wasn't good enough". Probably because you called a horrible game, Shula.

[thefuzz]

33 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

 one dimensional OC who can only succeed if Cam is doing his thing. He had no answers and that is the sign of a bad OC. 

 

Did Shula fumble?  Or let a ball go through his hands for an INT?  Did he get concussed?  Did Mike overthrow receivers?

End of the day, we were outcoached, but moreso, we were outplayed. This TEAM had multiple opportunities, Denver just wanted it more Sunday, and it showed.

[heel31ok]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Did Shula fumble?  Or let a ball go through his hands for an INT?  Did he get concussed?  Did Mike overthrow receivers?

End of the day, we were outcoached, but moreso, we were outplayed. This TEAM had multiple opportunities, Denver just wanted it more Sunday, and it showed.

no adjustments says it all, we have fumbled and dropped passes before and won games. You are right though about one thing, running it up the gut did stop from overthrowing our receivers! pure genius. I dont believe denver wanted it more. 

[PghPanther]

I don't know in what context he stated that but I have been critical of his play calling all year and in many cases presumed the talent of this team could overcome some of the bad play calling..................I had thought before the SB that the winning team will be the one that is prepared and coach ready...

It became very apparent to me earlier on that the Panthers were outcoached in the area of offensive schemes to what Phillips did with his D..................

I kept yelling to my friends watch the game that we got catch with our pants down on offensive plays verses the outside speed pass rushing of their D.................

 

[panthers15]

I just re-watched the entire game to make sure my memory from Sunday wasn't effected by all the booze. Turns out, it was.

Play calling wasn't as big of an issue as I originally thought. Yea, I would have liked to see some HB screens to slow down the rush, but other than that, it was well called. More throws on 1st down than I remembered. People are getting frustrated about the "runs up the gut", well that's the strongest part of our offense! Most of the runs were from different formations with different personnel. The only credit Denver's D should get should be from stopping the run. Other than that, we were making too many mistakes. Crucial drops for 1st downs, a lot of them coming on 3rd down, penalties creating 3rd and long, etc.

We kept screwing up and that played into Denvers strength. Missing the FG hurt because it allowed them to keep being aggressive on defense as it stayed a 2 score game

if we don't shoot ourselves in the foot this game, we would have put up 30 points, won the game, and everyone would still be riding the gravy train. Unfortunately, we did...over and over again

[stankowalski]

55 minutes ago, panthers15 said:

I just re-watched the entire game to make sure my memory from Sunday wasn't effected by all the booze. Turns out, it was.

Play calling wasn't as big of an issue as I originally thought. Yea, I would have liked to see some HB screens to slow down the rush, but other than that, it was well called. More throws on 1st down than I remembered. People are getting frustrated about the "runs up the gut", well that's the strongest part of our offense! Most of the runs were from different formations with different personnel. The only credit Denver's D should get should be from stopping the run. Other than that, we were making too many mistakes. Crucial drops for 1st downs, a lot of them coming on 3rd down, penalties creating 3rd and long, etc.

We kept screwing up and that played into Denvers strength. Missing the FG hurt because it allowed them to keep being aggressive on defense as it stayed a 2 score game

if we don't shoot ourselves in the foot this game, we would have put up 30 points, won the game, and everyone would still be riding the gravy train. Unfortunately, we did...over and over again

That's what it came down to.  Had we not turned the ball over we'd have won and probably won by 10+.  And it wasn't just the turnover's, it was the false starts, delay of games, dropped passes.  It's just so much easier to get purple in the face and blame Shula.

[tiger7_88]

On 2/8/2016 at 1:04 PM, Rocky Davis said:

You know I don't know what happened last night.  Over the course of the season I thought I read where Shula was opening up the offense and letting Cam audible more, but last night seemed like we went back to 2013-2014.

Cam had very few opportunities to audible in the game.  We were regularly getting to the line after the play call came in with about 7 seconds left on the play clock.  It happened so much I think it had to have been part of the game plan going in (to make the game shorter for some reason which, as someone pointed out in another post, just played right into *exactly* what Denver wanted, yet another game sacrificed at the Altar of Time of Possession).  Its impossible to check the defense and change up a play with that little time left on the play clock. 

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

You can't tell if you have a good OC when things are going good on offense but you can tell if you have a good OC when things are going bad on offense ... Shula is one of those first computers to come out, giant dinosaurs that are outdated. Too bad Hue Jackson couldn't have came here to OC 

[thefuzz]

17 hours ago, heel31ok said:

no adjustments says it all, we have fumbled and dropped passes before and won games. You are right though about one thing, running it up the gut did stop from overthrowing our receivers! pure genius. I dont believe denver wanted it more. 

This year, yes, we have fumbled and had INT's and still won, that's called a fluke.  Most teams who lose the turnover battle lose the game, just as we did.  The playcalling wasn't perfect, but credit Denver to taking away some of what made this offense great all year.

It starts with the players, and our offensive group just wasn't good enough on Sunday.  Cam, O Line, RB's, WR's, TE's....all of them, and I haven't even brought up ST's....  Had the players done their part, we win this game going away.

Blame Shula if you want, but he didn't make anyone jump offsides, fumble balls, miss field goals, or drop passes.  The one thing that jumps out to me as being dumb that he did was the trick play, but a bad call or two is expected, 4 turnovers, in a game where turnovers were going to be the difference, is not.

[pstall]

Even if the special teams gets a penalty for hitting that guy, den doesn't have great field postion and still probably doesn't score.

Some of you are straight up blind.

Cotch drops a ball at the 5. Ginn lets one slip around the 10 for a pick.  3-14 points there. We fumble twice in our red zone which we avoided mostly all year. 14 points for them.

And lol@ someone questioning Shula for a 17-1 team that led the LEAGUE in scoring. Hilarious. 

[rico6]

18 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

For a team that struggled to run the ball all game Shula never once abandoned the run.

For a team that struggled in the 1Q and after scoring a TD in the 2nd, Shula calls for a lateral to Ginn with his 1st option being to throw to Newton... What a fu*king waste of a down. 

On top of Shula, Ginn again cost us with his hands, Cotchery sucked and Brown let two hit the turf. For someone who is reliable with holding on to the ball Tolbert's fumble was a real killer too.

I've honestly never seen a team beat themselves as bad as the Panthers. What a waste of damn time that was Sunday.

The game in a Microcosm.

[thefuzz]

37 minutes ago, pstall said:

Even if the special teams gets a penalty for hitting that guy, den doesn't have great field postion and still probably doesn't score.

Some of you are straight up blind.

Cotch drops a ball at the 5. Ginn lets one slip around the 10 for a pick.  3-14 points there. We fumble twice in our red zone which we avoided mostly all year. 14 points for them.

And lol@ someone questioning Shula for a 17-1 team that led the LEAGUE in scoring. Hilarious. 

Agreed.

Blaming Shula is the lazy way out.  Look at the game, and take off any homer glasses, and you will see another story.

[edromeo]

Haven't posted in this forum in awhile. And was away on business during the SB. I watched the SB again this weekend and thought Shula's gameplan/playcalling let them down.

I haven't always been a Shula fan. Like many in this forum I was critical of Shula's when he was 1st names as OC.

But, Shula has improved and this year he did an awesome job especially considered the limited talent on defense.

Over the course of this season I was impressed with his gameplans and playcalling. Especially the opening sequences and his use of misdirection as a staple in the offense. No doubt having Cam helps but Shula has committed himself to building an offense around Cam and not trying to shoehorn him into a particular scheme/system.

With all that being said I was very disappointed and surprised with Shula's SB scheme/gameplan and playcalling.

It wasn't terrible, because it still put players in positions to be productive....but I think Shula prevented the offense from operating at a much higher level. I expected more zone-read concepts, more concepts designed specifically to mitigate or exploit the Bronco's pass rush.

 

 

[raleigh-panther]

For a team that was 15 and 1 and in the Super Bowl, not one coach was hired by another team, college or pro

think about that

[KB_fan]

45 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

For a team that was 15 and 1 and in the Super Bowl, not one coach was hired by another team, college or pro

think about that

I don't think Denver has had any coaches leave either, but I could be wrong about that.

It seemed no team was wanting to wait long enough to seriously consider coaches from a SB team.