What will it take?

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[Argus Plexus]

I won't have faith if he fugs up Sunday, but I will still support him.

[panthers55]

Bogus wise man !!!

That reminds of the arguement that you cant support wars if you have never served. If you want to go to war why dont you join the military etc... :dupe:

You dont have to be a coach to see the program sucks.

Again you always talk down people who disagree with you.

" I just am intelligent enough to know that it takes a team to lose or win and a lot of players had a hand in it. " :dupe:

You don't have to serve in the military to like or dislike someone or something but if you want to give advise on military strategy or evaluate the effectiveness of a campaign it requires knowing what you are talking about.

As for talking down to you, I just said I am intelligent to know it was a team loss. If you don't know that or think that I am "above" you, you are one taking the down position of being less intelligent. In isn't as if I called you out or used your name.

[Brooklyn Bully]

How do you know what I think or what I believe. Because I don't come on a message board read by many folks including players and their families and trash the quarterback doesn't mean I don't feel upset or angry about how he played. Every game I go to I spend over 250 dollars to see. You really believe I like throwing my money away to see us lay a total egg. So far I have gone to 3 games and saw nothing worth the 750 dollars I spent.

The reality is that I have really been angry and upset about how the whole team has played and that certainly includes Jake. I just am intelligent enough to know that it takes a team to lose or win and a lot of players had a hand in it. I also realize that when I pay for PSLs I go to the game win or lose and support the team whether they play well or not. I didn't even come on here for 2 days because I realized that anything I said would be emotional and not very accurate or objective.

Look at my posts, I am loyal to the team and it's players. Does that mean I like how they how they played or what they did? It is like a family. You can love your family but not like their actions. Still you don't trash them especially in public. Don't mistake the fact that because I don't make histrionic juvenile diatribes about how the team or certain players suck, it suggests I am blindly loyal or satisfied with their play. I knew that this year would be difficult and predicted we would be 0-3 or 1-2 at the bye.

Feel free to speak for yourself but don't even presume to know anything about what I think or don't think.

Fair enough. I'm just going off this: Truth hurts. If you support the team you support the players through thick or thin.

You're allowed to not support a player. It doesn't mean you've given up on the team, but buy you typing those words, it makes me feel you indeed feel that way and that was my point.

[Nu Guns]

You don't have to serve in the military to like or dislike someone or something but if you want to give advise on military strategy or evaluate the effectiveness of a campaign it requires knowing what you are talking about.

As for talking down to you, I just said I am intelligent to know it was a team loss. If you don't know that or think that I am "above" you, you are one taking the down position of being less intelligent. In isn't as if I called you out or used your name.

Yes, you did not call me out for I wasnt involved in that part of the thread.

Another post from you in another thread:

"You realize that your logic is simplistic to the point of being ridiculous."

You may not realize it, but you make comments like this all the time. Hence the name "wise men" . =o)

[panthers55]

Fair enough. I'm just going off this: Truth hurts. If you support the team you support the players through thick or thin.

You're allowed to not support a player. It doesn't mean you've given up on the team, but buy you typing those words, it makes me feel you indeed feel that way and that was my point.

Not everyone has to agree with me or feel the same way. If you beleive that supporting the team means you can selectively trash a player while supporting the team that is your right. As a player coach and fan in numerous sports I have always heard and preached that you support the team and each other no matter what. But I understand others don't feel that way. We can agree to disagree.

[panthers55]

Yes, you did not call me out for I wasnt involved in that part of the thread.

Another post from you in another thread:

"You realize that your logic is simplistic to the point of being ridiculous."

You may not realize it, but you make comments like this all the time. Hence the name "wise men" . =o)

Funny how you want the right to say whatever is on your mind without censure but don't give the same rights to others.

If you are going to make a simplistic ignorant comment borne from no knowledge of the situation then expect to be called out on it.

My response was to a poster who made an ignorant comment like we only have 10 pass plays and Feeley can pick them up quickly. What makes it worse is that Feeley himself admits that the system is completely different and will take at least weeks to learn.

Instead of namecalling or tellling me I am talking down to you why not refute my points or show me where you in fact have knowledge of the situation. The way I see it, if you make an uninformed stupid point, then people who know better will comment on it.